Atlanta's national status (Boston: schools, live in, club)
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I'll admit that it gets close but Atlanta is sort of the focal point of the southeast. Atlanta is a popular choice for regional offices be they government or business. The other contenders get marginalized by places like NYC, LA, and DC. Atlanta is top dog of its region and that makes Atlanta appear that much more important.
That's fine for the southeast, but again, isn't enough for the city to just claim the number five spot.
I have to disagree with that. People move to Atlanta because of the area and not the Atlanta brand. People like the weather, the rolling hills, the big lots and yards, the job base or the demographic (many blacks like Atlanta because there are a lot of blacks in the area). Its not the city of Atlanta, proper, that is attracting people. Its the whole area. If it was the city that was so attractive, like SF, then people would be moving there and the density would be over 10,000 people per sqare mile by now.
You really missing what I'm saying i'm not talking about a popular contest. Alabama, others southerner states and etc have the same weather and hills. Atlanta made the area, it's Atlanta area, it's Metro Atlanta, it's Atlanta brand. People are not randomly moving to random podunk towns. They are moving in areas with connection to Atlanta. That how city and metros work. Some one rep me trying to bash Atlanta saying people move here only because it's cheap, which is fail because, that would be Atlanta is cheap which still be my point. Again this not a popular contest.
Lets say Atlanta never exist there would not be 100,157 in Bartow County people and etc. People move to a place knowing it's a suburb of a city. It's the Atlanta area, Bartow County with in it's self did not do that. Random Podunk Counties near each other don't start growing for no reason. They grown because a city sprawl suburbs. Suburban counties call them selves Atlanta referencing Metro Atlanta, why is metro Atlanta because Atlanta is city in which the region sprawl from. Again Metro are base on social activity a large enough population come and go from a place outside a city for them to associate as a region.
And to make so bad by the census Atlanta urban area is also bigger than Detroit urban area by population also. Atlanta urban area is over 4.1 million Detroit is about 3.9 million. Urban areas are continuous develop area over 1,000 sq mi.
Naw, Saying Atlanta is only important because it dominate only one region makes Atlanta look bad. That's why I posted a link showing how Atlanta ranks nationally in importance. Which isn't bad Atlanta's top 10 anyways.
Naw, Saying Atlanta is only important because it dominate only one region makes Atlanta look bad. That's why I posted a link showing how Atlanta ranks nationally in importance. Which isn't bad Atlanta's top 10 anyways.
Atlanta is an important hub, yeah, using only 10 missiles...we're toast. A more interesting idea is with just 5 missiles. NYC, LA, Chicago, and DC for sure. I'd say Atlanta would be on the short list for the 5th city.
Why would it be on the short list? If you want to destroy a nation you would go after their political centers, their financial centers and their manufacturing centers...then the largest population centers. In other words, you would want to destroy their government, their financial system and their ability to manufacture. Taking out Atlanta accomplishes none of those things if the enemy only has 10 nuclear warheads to fire. Why target a service based economy and a place that is known for real estate construction, a major international airport and Coca Cola? I can see the Russians now "We have got to destroy their ability to drink Coca Cola".....lol.
You really missing what I'm saying i'm not talking about a popular contest. Alabama, others southerner states and etc have the same weather and hills. Atlanta made the area, it's Atlanta area, it's Metro Atlanta, it's Atlanta brand. People are not randomly moving to random podunk towns. They are moving in areas with connection to Atlanta. That how city and metros work. Some one rep me trying to bash Atlanta saying people move here only because it's cheap, which is fail because, that would be Atlanta is cheap which still be my point. Again this not a popular contest.
Lets say Atlanta never exist there would not be 100,157 in Bartow County people and etc. People move to a place knowing it's a suburb of a city. It's the Atlanta area, Bartow County with in it's self did not do that. Random Podunk Counties near each other don't start growing for no reason. They grown because a city sprawl suburbs. Suburban counties call them selves Atlanta referencing Metro Atlanta, why is metro Atlanta because Atlanta is city in which the region sprawl from. Again Metro are base on social activity a large enough population come and go from a place outside a city for them to associate as a region.
And to make so bad by the census Atlanta urban area is also bigger than Detroit urban area by population also. Atlanta urban area is over 4.1 million Detroit is about 3.9 million. Urban areas are continuous develop area over 1,000 sq mi.
Let me start with the last point first. Detroit is an International metropolitan area. On one side of the Detroit River is the City of Detroit and on the other side of the city is the city of Windsor, Ontario Canada. None of Detroit’s MSA, CSA or urbanized area counts includes the Canadian side population. Thousands of people go back and forth for trade, business and pleasure each day. Adding the Canadian population to the Urban Area, MSA or CSA would up the counts about 300K. Canada is America largest trading partner and the Detroit-Windsor crossing is this America chief trade corridor via the Ambassador Bridge or the Tunnel that goes up under the river. So Again, the Detroit area or region, is international and is far more populated with people than people think or that official statistics reveal.
City of Windsor, Ontario Canada seen from Downtown Detroit.
Again, the only way that Atlanta is more populated than Detroit is if one is looking at things OTHER than purely a population count in a similar sized area. All I am saying is that given the same size area, Detroit has more people. The only way that Atlanta has more people is if you draw borders of where to start and stop counting based upon where people drive. Hence, the proper way to phrase it is that Atlanta has more people outside of Fulton County, commuting to Fulton County than Detroit has people outside of Wayne County commuting to Wayne County. The principle reason for this is that Detroit is not an office based economy, but a manufacturing based economy. Also, the fact that massive disinvestment from the city, from the 70’s to 2000, pulled jobs from the city to the suburbs. Hence, people no longer needed to commute from suburbs to the city because most of Detroit’s jobs moved from the city to the suburbs.
Really, what commuting patterns represent is the vibrancy of the downtown. What draws a quarter or more of the people from outlying areas to commute to the city’s core is JOBS, CULTURE and entertainment. To the degree that a city can maintain a vibrant downtown, with jobs, shopping, culture and entertainment, relative to the suburbs, the more people in the suburbs will have to commute to the Core County and city. Hence, Atlanta’s downtown and job offerings is simply much more vibrant that downtown Detroit. Hence, people in outlying suburban areas of Detroit do not have to commute to the city. They can commute to Southfield, Troy or Dearborn, which together likely employs more people than Detroit. So again, MSA’s are based largely are commuting patterns and areas that have strong central business districts with a large concentration of jobs means more people will commute from outlying areas to the city. However, my point all along is that such a number is deceptive. It does not mean that there are more people living in the Atlanta geographic area than a similar sized Detroit geographic area. It ONLY means that more people in the Atlanta area commute downtown than people in the Detroit area commute downtown. It’s really a commuting count and not a pure population count.
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