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Old 03-20-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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Why are Cobb/Gwinnett still averse to MARTA rail? I think it would be great. Look at the Bay Area. SF (city and county are the same) as well as 2 counties ACROSS the Bay bought into BART and are they glad they did. Now, the county below SF, San Mateo County, wishes it had done so. Instead they have this stupid Caltrain system (a different owner and operator). I think it's asinine for Cobb/Gwinnett to tie-in with their own light rails. Do you think Cobb/Gwinnett will ever get on board with the conventional heavy rail sytem? When I lived there, I loved riding MARTA to work, and taking it to Peachtree Center to eat lunch, with my monthly pass.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:17 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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Do you think Cobb/Gwinnett will ever get on board with the conventional heavy rail sytem?
No, it's too expensive today.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Why are Cobb/Gwinnett still averse to MARTA rail? I think it would be great. Look at the Bay Area. SF (city and county are the same) as well as 2 counties ACROSS the Bay bought into BART and are they glad they did. Now, the county below SF, San Mateo County, wishes it had done so. Instead they have this stupid Caltrain system (a different owner and operator). I think it's asinine for Cobb/Gwinnett to tie-in with their own light rails. Do you think Cobb/Gwinnett will ever get on board with the conventional heavy rail sytem? When I lived there, I loved riding MARTA to work, and taking it to Peachtree Center to eat lunch, with my monthly pass.
I'm not averse to it, I live in Cobb, and I wasn't aware Cobb was formally against anything MARTA except way back when the natives were using cuneiform writing (the last vote was before 1980).

Of course, any MARTA plan would have to make a certain amount of sense.

What is the basis for your question?
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:48 PM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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No, it's too expensive today.
If you think a rail system is expensive, try adding lanes to the interstate and maintaining and repaving then and then adding more lanes and then more and more and more and more and more.
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:50 PM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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Why are people against marta rail? I'd really like to answer this question. I need to think of a way to phrase it without being too blunt...

I believe it's the same reason they were against buses. Can you see where I'm going with this?
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Old 03-20-2012, 06:56 PM
 
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I believe it's the same reason they were against buses. Can you see where I'm going with this?
So, an archaic mentality still prevails, to some degree. Gee, I bet there's a lot of people who would love to drop off their cars at a station lot in Marietta or near Gwinnett Place Mall and cruise at 60 mph on an air-conditioned train to their jobs, if in the CBD.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:01 PM
 
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I think people just want to see a reasonable cost-benefit return on the investment. No one wants to spend $1+ billion on something that isn't going to have an appreciable impact on their commute. They would rather spend that money on something that will have an immediate impact. A rail line would eventually change development and the way people commute in some areas, but it wouldn't alleviate any of the congestion that people see on a daily basis. There is a short term outlook held by many and I certainly understand it. Ideally there would be enough money to aggressively expand rail and work on the highway infrastructure, but there isn't enough money to go around. It is easy, and many on here certainly will, dump on those who want expanded highways, but they have a valid point. Atlanta is a major logistics hub for distribution in the Southeast. If the highways are expanded and we see gridlock in the city, the economic impact is huge. Expanding the highway infrastructure goes way beyond the simplistic commuting related issues that people tend to focus on here.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:24 PM
 
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So, an archaic mentality still prevails, to some degree. Gee, I bet there's a lot of people who would love to drop off their cars at a station lot in Marietta or near Gwinnett Place Mall and cruise at 60 mph on an air-conditioned train to their jobs, if in the CBD.
Right, and they still drag their clubs and wear animal skins. Apparently those that work in the CBD are not the majority. People in Cobb and Gwinnett don't want to pay the MARTA tax for something they won't use. It would have been great for me when I lived in Cobb because it went where I wanted to go. But that's not true for a lot of people and they probably don't want to ride the train and transfer to a bus to complete their trip. And no, I don't think transferring to a streetcar would change their mind.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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So, an archaic mentality still prevails, to some degree. Gee, I bet there's a lot of people who would love to drop off their cars at a station lot in Marietta or near Gwinnett Place Mall and cruise at 60 mph on an air-conditioned train to their jobs, if in the CBD.
I'm sure there are some, but what about the majority that wouldn't ride or don't work near a MARTA stop? For them, there is little benefit.

It really isn't hard to understand the opposition some people have. I live in Cobb and would vote to pay for it and ride it occassionally, but I certainly understand the opposition.

Do those on here who constantly beat the "we need more rail" drum really not understand the opposition or are you just being hard-headed and using these repeated posts as some pathetic "I'm better than you because I like rail" way of belittling those who have legitimate reasons for opposing the tax increase necessary to expand into Cobb and Gwinnett?

HINT: That is a rhetorical question. We all know the answer.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:43 PM
 
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It really isn't hard to understand the opposition some people have. I live in Cobb and would vote to pay for it and ride it occassionally, but I certainly understand the opposition.
It's just that the metro area mushrooms in population (1990 to 2000, wow) and Cobb and Gwinnett about 5 miles OTP, minimum, will see some serious infill and population growth in the next decade...and the next...
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