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Old 04-01-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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There are many options aside from introducing a sales tax.

Local schools are failing....why don't we have a penny tax for that?

Libraries are having trouble, why don't we have a penny library tax?

Dogs poop in my yard. We should have a penny tax to fund dog poop removal.

I know crime is a problem, maybe we need a penny tax for police.

The list goes on. You can't solve every problem by asking residents to increase sales tax. Well, if you're a lazy politician who is afraid to make decisions and suck at finance, maybe you can. If they had their way, we would tax ourselves into oblivion. If this passes, sales tax in the city of Atlanta will be 9%. When does it stop?

If you need money for roads, tax the people who use them. Have the guts to increase the fuel tax.

In the middle of this economy, asking people to tax themselves and additional 1% on every last thing that they buy....well, it ain't gonna happen. They should have focus grouped it before even proposing it before wasting all of our time.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: ATL
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There are many options aside from introducing a sales tax.

Local schools are failing....why don't we have a penny tax for that?

Libraries are having trouble, why don't we have a penny library tax?

Dogs poop in my yard. We should have a penny tax to fund dog poop removal.

I know crime is a problem, maybe we need a penny tax for police.

The list goes on. You can't solve every problem by asking residents to increase sales tax. Well, if you're a lazy politician who is afraid to make decisions and suck at finance, maybe you can. If they had their way, we would tax ourselves into oblivion. If this passes, sales tax in the city of Atlanta will be 9%. When does it stop?

If you need money for roads, tax the people who use them. Have the guts to increase the fuel tax.

In the middle of this economy, asking people to tax themselves and additional 1% on every last thing that they buy....well, it ain't gonna happen. They should have focus grouped it before even proposing it before wasting all of our time.
As long as you are ok with an additional 3 million people moving here and doing nothing to help the traffic flow don't worry about it. If you are ok with adding a couple of extra hours to your commute and spending more than 1 cent in gas with your longer commute then dont vote for it.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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I do think fair concerns have been raised about sales taxes hitting 9% in Atlanta, and the heavier burden that will place on those with lower incomes.

If we do end up going there, the city should make basic staples (such as groceries, or at least produce) sales-tax free. That would help reduce some of the burden on the poor and middle class.

But I also do wish we had politicians that cared more about doing what's best for the community, rather than being so scared about not getting re-elected that they can't do their job and raise taxes when necessary.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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There are many options aside from introducing a sales tax.

Local schools are failing....why don't we have a penny tax for that?

Libraries are having trouble, why don't we have a penny library tax?

Dogs poop in my yard. We should have a penny tax to fund dog poop removal.

I know crime is a problem, maybe we need a penny tax for police.

The list goes on. You can't solve every problem by asking residents to increase sales tax. Well, if you're a lazy politician who is afraid to make decisions and suck at finance, maybe you can. If they had their way, we would tax ourselves into oblivion. If this passes, sales tax in the city of Atlanta will be 9%. When does it stop?

If you need money for roads, tax the people who use them. Have the guts to increase the fuel tax.

In the middle of this economy, asking people to tax themselves and additional 1% on every last thing that they buy....well, it ain't gonna happen. They should have focus grouped it before even proposing it before wasting all of our time.
None of those issues can be fixed with more money and you know it. How do you prepose we fix our traffic issues with no additional income?
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:05 PM
 
Location: ATL
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I do think fair concerns have been raised about sales taxes hitting 9% in Atlanta, and the heavier burden that will place on those with lower incomes.

If we do end up going there, the city should make basic staples (such as groceries, or at least produce) sales-tax free. That would help reduce some of the burden on the poor and middle class.

But I also do wish we had politicians that cared more about doing what's best for the community, rather than being so scared about not getting re-elected that they can't do their job and raise taxes when necessary.
Well you will pay more than a penny with 3 million additional people on the roads here
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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That all depends.

I see 5 phases of light rail from Doraville to Gwinnett Arena on the list.

Is that a project that will be completed within 10 years under the plan?

I was under the impression that the only mass transit into Gwinnett that the plan funded was yet another feasibility study.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:38 PM
 
Location: back home in atl
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^if cobb and gwinnett really wanted rail they would've figured out a way to get it by now. as it has been, most people out there think it brings "crime" and don't want to "subsidize poor people" so lets give them more roads, and give us in the city better transit. that's what this seems to be achieving, and while it could be better, it could also be much, much worse.
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Old 04-01-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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There are many options aside from introducing a sales tax.

Local schools are failing....why don't we have a penny tax for that?

Libraries are having trouble, why don't we have a penny library tax?

Dogs poop in my yard. We should have a penny tax to fund dog poop removal.

I know crime is a problem, maybe we need a penny tax for police.

The list goes on. You can't solve every problem by asking residents to increase sales tax. Well, if you're a lazy politician who is afraid to make decisions and suck at finance, maybe you can. If they had their way, we would tax ourselves into oblivion. If this passes, sales tax in the city of Atlanta will be 9%. When does it stop?

If you need money for roads, tax the people who use them. Have the guts to increase the fuel tax.

In the middle of this economy, asking people to tax themselves and additional 1% on every last thing that they buy....well, it ain't gonna happen. They should have focus grouped it before even proposing it before wasting all of our time.
Schools, and Libraries success, police keeping the crime low. Can be done with out involving raising taxes, because those things are hardly related to funding. Better teachers and parents can get a school to have more success. On the other hand improving transportation infrastructure can't fix itself. I don't even understand that comparison. What?... people should move away from the Atlanta region, to have infructure that fits the population? ) Also this is transportation infrastructure you compare it to dog poop removal, It shows you don't take this seriously

Most projects are road projects but this is transportation in general. whether you walk, ride a bike, drive a car and etc it will effect you. This is something that will effect the region economically it would be easier to pick up relocate companies and etc with better transit infrastructure. And if this don't pass it will send a terrible message about the Atlanta regions. This is not like voting on alcohol sales voting no has a major consequence it's basically voting against the growth of the region. The city of Atlanta can always lower takes in what ever, it would take another ten years to have another chance to vote again on this regional referendum. If you have a bug against Atlanta taxes this is so the wrong thing.

Somethings I found interesting from the video.

1. GA is 48th in transportation spending per resident! 2:48

2. The law call for a citizen review panel to check spending. 5:05

3. The transportation consequence of not passing. Projects can take over 20 years longer. 6:10

4. Competition with other regions Dallas, Charlotte, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Seattle and etc have pass transportation referendums 11:47
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Corpus Christi, TX - New York, NY - Metro Atlanta & Savannah, GA
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^if cobb and gwinnett really wanted rail they would've figured out a way to get it by now. as it has been, most people out there think it brings "crime" and don't want to "subsidize poor people" so lets give them more roads, and give us in the city better transit. that's what this seems to be achieving, and while it could be better, it could also be much, much worse.
Don't lump Gwinnett in with Cobb. Though the two have their similarities (size, population, distance from ATL proper), the demographics are quite different.

I'm sure a lot more residents of Gwinnett are in favor of expanding mass transit up here than those in neighboring Cobb.
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Old 04-02-2012, 03:37 AM
 
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I'm still struggling to understand if this plan includes light rail to Gwinnett.

I see it on the list, but I would think if this was the case, it would be a major, major selling point of the tax. Would this tax definitely bring light rail to Gwinnett Arena?
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