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Old 06-11-2012, 07:33 AM
 
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Buses will get stuck in the same congestion. There are already 2-3 bus routes serving that area that gets caught in the same congestion. 9% sales tax isn't much, traveled to TN a couple weeks ago and their sales tax was pushing 11%, Birmingham has 9.75%. You would barely notice a 1% increase and this sales tax will allow visitors to the region to help pay for our transportation improvements.
It is 11% in TN because they have no state income tax.

Birmingham is broke.

Got a better comparison?




$1 billion for 5,000 new riders is beyond wasteful considering it does nothing to "Untie the knot" like the pro-TIA crowd is advertising.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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It is 11% in TN because they have no state income tax.
Their property taxes are a lot higher than GA.
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$1 billion for 5,000 new riders is beyond wasteful considering it does nothing to "Untie the knot" like the pro-TIA crowd is advertising.
Get over yourself, corndog is voting NO. We all know you'd rather see Commuter Rail, but GDOT is over that. So please write your state representative and ask for commuter rail.
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Get over yourself, corndog is voting NO. We all know you'd rather see Commuter Rail, but GDOT is over that. So please write your state representative and ask for commuter rail.
Telling him to "get over himself" doesn't make his statement less true or valid. We all know you want this to pass no matter what, and you're entitled to feel that way, but it just seems that the plan could call for pack mules to carry people to Atlanta and you would still be supporting it.

Sometimes doing nothing IS better than doing something ill conceived, and there is a plan B built into the legislation. If the vote fails to pass this year, it can be brought back in 2 years for another vote, presumably after some re-work. I'm willing to wait.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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So you wanna contribute 30% more local matching funds for road projects by GDOT? And no I wouldn't vote for packing mules, they smell.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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So you wanna contribute 30% more local matching funds for road projects by GDOT?
Can you be more specific? Who would contribute, under what circumstances, to fund what projects? The devil is in the details which is what keeps getting missed.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:33 AM
 
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So you wanna contribute 30% more local matching funds for road projects by GDOT?
?
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Read the proposal, if the TIA isn't passed this time GDOT will penalize all counties in the region by making them contribute up to 30% more matching local funds towads road projects.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:42 AM
 
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Scare tactics to encourage people to vote for something they wouldn't normally support. Politics 101. Are you really buying these scare tactics and using them as a motivation for voting for an ill conceived plan? Weak.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Wouldn't wanna find out. Your right politicians are weak, didn't have the sack to raise the gas tax themselves since they ask us to tax ourselves.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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So you wanna contribute 30% more local matching funds for road projects by GDOT? And no I wouldn't vote for packing mules, they smell.
If you review the GDOT slides on the referendum, which are available here (http://www.it3.ga.gov/Documents/HB277.pdf), even with passage there is a requirement that local governments match "10% of their Local Maintenance and Improvement Grants" but I'm not clear on what that means. How much of the total budget is "Local Maintenance and Improvement Grants" and what does 10% equal? At most the delta is 20% between approval and non-approval.

If tax not approved in district:

• Local governments in district then must match 30% of
their Local Maintenance and Improvement Grants.
• Cannot revisit for 24 months.

If Tax approved in district:

• Collection begins at least 80 days from election.
• Local governments in district must only match 10% of
their Local Maintenance and Improvement Grants for
the next ten years.
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