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Old 03-31-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: ATL
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Atlanta will be adding 3 million people by 2040. Can you imagine how bad traffic will be here if this bill doesn't pass? To the people who do not want additional taxes, imagine how much money and time you will be losing with an extra 3 million people on our roads with no traffic improvements. An example would be the 35k+ people going to the Braves game. You know how bad traffic is with 35k extra people on the road now imagine when that number increase by 3 million people

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Old 04-01-2012, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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Thanks for posting. I will definitely be voting yes in July.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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Smart money will be buying intown and/or close to a Marta station.
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:44 AM
 
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Thanks for posting. I will definitely be voting yes in July.
I just don't understand the people who complain about traffic but plan on not voting for this bill
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:39 AM
 
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I just don't understand the people who complain about traffic but plan on not voting for this bill
Because they want "stuff" for "free," which never happens.

They think roads magically appear and pay for themselves. But trains are a socialist effort to steal even more of their "hard-earned" tax dollars.

In other words, for the most part, they're brainwashed and/or underinformed and/or idiotic. (Same goes for their perceptions of health care, public parks, sanitation, police, etc. People want services, but they don't want to pay for them.)

Now, there is a very small contingent of folks on both the left and the right that are well-studied on these matters and don't feel that this particular tax is the way to go. I don't begrudge those folks.

Totally my own perspective here, but I don't feel like the final list of projects is all that "inter-county" anyway. (The primary point was to emphasize projects that needed county-county partnerships. But most of the proposals seem to be contained within specific counties.) So I'm less and less concerned about this passing. I just hope that Fulton and/or Atlanta immediately turns around and calls for a vote for projects within the city/county. If Cherokee wants to choke on its own traffic, let it.
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Old 04-01-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I'm surprised that there hasn't been a movement to encourage more people to work from home, especially if many of these office jobs pretty much consists of paper pushing. A computer, telephone/cellphone, internet access, fax machine, and a copier/scanner is all that's needed for a lot of office jobs.

I would wonder why no political leader at the state level hasn't made a more significant effort to prod more employers into venturing into teleworking as of yet.
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Old 04-01-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: ATL
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Because they want "stuff" for "free," which never happens.

They think roads magically appear and pay for themselves. But trains are a socialist effort to steal even more of their "hard-earned" tax dollars.

In other words, for the most part, they're brainwashed and/or underinformed and/or idiotic. (Same goes for their perceptions of health care, public parks, sanitation, police, etc. People want services, but they don't want to pay for them.)

Now, there is a very small contingent of folks on both the left and the right that are well-studied on these matters and don't feel that this particular tax is the way to go. I don't begrudge those folks.

Totally my own perspective here, but I don't feel like the final list of projects is all that "inter-county" anyway. (The primary point was to emphasize projects that needed county-county partnerships. But most of the proposals seem to be contained within specific counties.) So I'm less and less concerned about this passing. I just hope that Fulton and/or Atlanta immediately turns around and calls for a vote for projects within the city/county. If Cherokee wants to choke on its own traffic, let it.
Yep. You sound just like my co-worker
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: ATL
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Forward this video to your friends. I emailed the arc to make a video of what would happen to Atlanta if this didn't pass and what it would cost in time and money
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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A penny tax for 10 years seems excessive for something that provides very little in the way of public transit. An extension to Emory and a couple of miles up 400? For 10 years? Pathetic.

If this plan included rail up to Gwinnett Arena, Town Center, and North Point, I'd vote for it in a second.

They should increase the fuel excise tax, not introduce a sales tax.

I don't think it's going to pass.

I agree with this guy:


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Old 04-01-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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A penny tax for 10 years seems excessive for something that provides very little in the way of public transit. An extension to Emory and a couple of miles up 400? For 10 years? Pathetic.

If this plan included rail up to Gwinnett Arena, Town Center, and North Point, I'd vote for it in a second.

They should increase the fuel excise tax, not introduce a sales tax.

I don't think it's going to pass.

I agree with this guy:

Here is the list. Traffic is bad and something has to be done and it isn't free. The little green man from Mars isnt going to help your region with our traffic. What if it doesn't pass? You know how bad traffic is here coming to the city when 35k Braves fans are going to the game? Well imagine the same roads with and additional 3 million people on it 30 years from now.

http://www.atlantaregionalroundtable.com/documents/Unconstrained_List_07-12-11.pdf (broken link)

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