Deal signs welfare drug-testing mandate

[Caleb Longstreet]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

I could have sworn I clearly stated, "You claimed the group got $5 billion, which is false; it didn't get any money."

Again, you really have no point.

Sooooo ,you are saying they never got any money...I'm saying they are a good example of waste.....you say z460k at some pt....regardless, there are plenty of social programs we could strip to pay for this.....

[Caleb Longstreet]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

ACORN is the Far Right's boogeyman again? I thought that was SO 2009...

How about 35 million spent for political party conventions...that is SO 2011...

Good enough skippy?

[Caleb Longstreet]

Acorn received 4.19 billion of the now I'll fated stimulus package to stabilize communities...whatever that means...but hey, it's SO in the past it shouldn't matter? Right! Almost like it never happened...what money?

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by Caleb Longstreet

Sooooo ,you are saying they never got any money...I'm saying they are a good example of waste.....you say z460k at some pt....regardless, there are plenty of social programs we could strip to pay for this.....

It's stupid to shift funding from one program deemed wasteful to another that's proven to be wasteful.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by Caleb Longstreet

How about 35 million spent for political party conventions...that is SO 2011...

Good enough skippy?

And this relates to the OP how?

[DJDeadParrot]

Originally Posted by Caleb Longstreet

Acorn received 4.19 billion of the now I'll [sic] fated stimulus package to stabilize communities.

No they didn't. You are being lied to by people committing the logical fallacy of equivocation.

I finally had to look this one up.

Somewhere along the way, the statement that community groups that do some of the same things that a group with ACORN in its name did are eligible to receive $4.2 billion became 'ACORN receives $4.2b'.

ACORN Housing, which is a separate entity from the ACORN that did voter registration, and is run by a completely different board of directors with headquarters in a different city, has participated in foreclosure remediation programs. Even though they could have, they never applied for a piece of the $4.2b.

What was the $4.2b a part of? The Neighborhood Stabilization Program signed into law by President Bush. The aim of that program is to buy up foreclosed homes, and get them back into resale-able condition, and stem the domino effect of sinking home values in the surrounding area. The money went to state and local governments who then dispersed some of it to eligible grantees who applied on a competitive basis for it, i.e. not one dime had been earmarked to any non-profit.

So, yes, the federal government provided $4.2 billion for neighborhood stabilization, and some of it went to groups that provide a similar function to a group that, despite its name, is separate from a favorite conservative lightning rod [though that similarly-named group, itself, never applied for those funds].

Ergo, ACORN did not receive $4.2 billion dollars.

[arjay57]

I'm also dubious about the claims that ACORN got $4.2 billion. The credible sources I've read don't seem to back that up.

However, I personally don't like ACORN getting any tax money. Organizations like that are way too loosey-goosey and the opportunities for waste, fraud and abuse are abundant.

Funding for advocacy organisations should come from private sources. Why should the taxpayers be footing the bill for organisations to lobby the government?





**And before somebody jumps in and says corporations shouldn't get public welfare I'm totally opposed to that too.

[atlantagreg30127]

NOTE: Please get back on track and the topic folks, or the topic is going to have to be shut down.