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Old 05-08-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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The plan has my vote. I'm willing to sacrifice for the good of the Atlanta "Region". We may not benefit from every project directly, but we should all benefit indirectly. There should be no "us vs. them" when it comes to Atlanta and its suburbs. We are in this together, and it's about damn time we started acting like it!

Hell, I also wish we could have one regional transit system instead of MARTA, CCT, GRTA, etc. Road planning should be done cooperatively as well. Otherwise you get (for example) a system where four lane roads that narrow down to two as you cross borders, and other short-sighted and inefficient transportation management.

A big reality of much of Atlanta's problem is the lack of arterial roads that can move enough volume to make jumping on the freeways unnecessary. I find myself using the freeways because there are usually no good alternatives even after factoring in the traffic on said freeways.

There should also be NO reason that to get from Buford to Cartersville that it is faster to go South on 85 to 285 just to go back North on 75. GA-20 should be 4 lanes wide minimum the whole way. Hell, a northern arc should have been built as well, but everyone killed it because of the sprawl fears (even though the sprawl happened ANYWAY without the arc). But that's a different topic for a different day.

The time to work together is NOW. We can no longer be divisive in our attitudes and thought processes. This is the very same crap I witnessed living in Detroit. The suburbs fell right along with Detroit. Oakland County in Michigan, which directly borders Detroit, was at a time one of the richest counties in the USA.

Detroit surburbs developed a disdain for ANY project or cooperation that had to do with Detroit, and they are now in the crapper with Detroit as well. "Us vs. Them" or the "what's directly in it for me" does not work. Cooperation and collaboration does. We all suceed together, or we fail together.
Detroit...interesting. I must study this more.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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This is the very same crap I witnessed living in Detroit. The suburbs fell right along with Detroit. Oakland County in Michigan, which directly borders Detroit, was at a time one of the richest counties in the USA.

Detroit surburbs developed a disdain for ANY project or cooperation that had to do with Detroit, and they are now in the crapper with Detroit as well. "Us vs. Them" or the "what's directly in it for me" does not work. Cooperation and collaboration does. We all suceed together, or we fail together.
Could it be that a lot of Detroit's issues have more to do with the auto industy's issues, rather than the "us vs. them" mentality? While it may not help, I don't know that there's necessarily a causal relationship between the road/transit system there and Detroit's current situation.
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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Could it be that a lot of Detroit's issues have more to do with the auto industy's issues, rather than the "us vs. them" mentality? While it may not help, I don't know that there's necessarily a causal relationship between the road/transit system there and Detroit's current situation.
I was more speaking toward Surburb vs City cooperation issues in general for the greater good of a region for Detroit. Road/Transit and auto industry issues up there are a separate issue altogether that could take years to discuss fully in a thread!
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Old 05-08-2012, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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Birmingham/Jefferson county had a similar conflict and that was catastrophic. I reached a low point when I found myself in the new county parking deck measuring the spaces to ensure county workers didn't have larger spaces than city workers. *smh* I think Jefferson county recently went bankrupt, but I don't know the details.
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Old 05-08-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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Birmingham/Jefferson county had a similar conflict and that was catastrophic. I reached a low point when I found myself in the new county parking deck measuring the spaces to ensure county workers didn't have larger spaces than city workers. *smh* I think Jefferson county recently went bankrupt, but I don't know the details.
Jefferson County, Alabama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EPA regulations and the required sewer work (and subsequent bond issue) bankrupted the county.
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Old 05-08-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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EPA regulations and the required sewer work (and subsequent bond issue) bankrupted the county.
Didn't have something to do with the county getting involved with some very risky Wall Street debentures?
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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Could it be that a lot of Detroit's issues have more to do with the auto industy's issues, rather than the "us vs. them" mentality? While it may not help, I don't know that there's necessarily a causal relationship between the road/transit system there and Detroit's current situation.
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I was more speaking toward Surburb vs City cooperation issues in general for the greater good of a region for Detroit. Road/Transit and auto industry issues up there are a separate issue altogether that could take years to discuss fully in a thread!
Hmm. I do know that Detroit has a VERY strong suburb-vs-city mentality. Interesting to see that it could have played a pivotal role in metro Detroit's collapse. Seems like we have some of those same forces at work here, possibly except for the declined auto industry.

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Birmingham/Jefferson county had a similar conflict and that was catastrophic. I reached a low point when I found myself in the new county parking deck measuring the spaces to ensure county workers didn't have larger spaces than city workers. *smh* I think Jefferson county recently went bankrupt, but I don't know the details.
Wow. Just, wow.

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Jefferson County, Alabama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

EPA regulations and the required sewer work (and subsequent bond issue) bankrupted the county.
Yep, the EPA took down Birmingham! Trolololololol
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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Yep, the EPA took down Birmingham! Trolololololol
Nope. It took down Jefferson county. Trust me, you never, EVER want to confuse the two. Things get ugly if you do.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Will be voting yes.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:19 PM
 
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Didn't have something to do with the county getting involved with some very risky Wall Street debentures?
There was massive corruption under Larry Langford that led to a lot of this. The guy was a crook, but that is par for the course with most big city, mayors elected by uneducated voters. It is amazing what many cities will vote into office. Thankfully this crook is rotting away on a 15 year sentence.

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