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the CDC reports that compared to other races, black women have fewer lifetime sexual partners and least likely to participate in high risk activity.yet they account for most of the hiv rates, so how are they getting it?
Even this coincides with the theory that black women are mostly either pursuing or being pursued by and sleeping with the same few men. A woman would logically report having fewer partners if she is only smitten by the same exact man that 60 other women are smitten by. She may not be sleeping with 60 men, but she would conceivably be sleeping with a man who is sleeping with 60 other women. Its essentially an issue of being slutty by proxy rather than by default or by design.
This, to me drives at the heart of the matter: The absolute and destructive monopoly that the player, pimp, fly guy persona has on black women...and the presumed tunnelvision that huge pool of black women would have to develop during screening when selecting him as a mate over other, more morally viable prospects.
Why is the decision making process so poorly executed by these women? As has been rehashed over and over before, I think fatherless homes plays a large part in both the poor mate selection by many black women, and a large part in influencing the development of superficial attributes that the small pool of monopolizing men uses to attract them.
Lastly, and this is a touchy subject with most people, but there is a serious over emphasis on sex game in the black community. All it takes for many women to let those one or two lowlifes they are smitten by raw dog repeatedly, is for him to be a pornstar performance wise. Thats all well and swell in the heat of the moment, but at the end of the day, they're sleeping with him for the same reason the other 60 women are sleeping with him..because his sex game is vicious, irrespective of his character.
I honestly think that this worsens the problem. A lot of blacks tend to believe what they want to believe and fail to make the link to the root of the problem which is individual accountability. I mean, I dont believe in a 90 day rule personally, but hypothetically, if it existed, and both partners insisted upon testing prior to sexual intercourse, many infections could be detected within that time frame, even if a male partner were gay.
Even if the theory of a downlow epidemic were true, why, when interracial relationships are more common than they've ever been before, enough so that it has even at times become a source of friction between black men and black women, would black women be the only ones bearing the brunt of new hiv infections among women; despite the fact that there are numerically scores more openly gay and downlow white men in relationships with white women? These are things that, to me, simply run counter to the downlow narrative many blacks cling to to explain away the statistics regarding HIV.
The "90 Day Rule" refers to what's called The Window Period. The window period is the time between someone gets infected and when they seroconvert. It's not until they seroconvert that they will test positive. That window between infection and seroconversion is approximately 3 months. Or 90 days.
And it does exist. The person IS infected in that time period and they are able to infect others. They just don't yet test positive because they don't yet have the antibodies that the tests look for.
Well, I may be way off, but my understanding is HIV is transmitted primarily via blood and the #1 way to get it, is through drugs (aka needles), not sex. The second is ripping the anal wall and thus infection. The third is through vaginal sex but the vaginal wall is much thicker and resistant plus less friction.
Please don't let this fool you. It's technically true but that should not let any man feel easy about having unprotected sex with a woman. I have seen many men who were infected by women.
The reason men in this country go around with this belief is because IN AMERICA the virus is contained mostly in intraveneous drug users and homosexual men (and black women are rapidly becoming another concentrated epidemic). But in African countries HIV is a GENERALIZED epidemic, which means it's in the general population of everyone. And in those countries is mostly in heterosexuals and men make up a very large group.
So, please please please please please don't think it's okay to have unprotected sex unless you're in a monogamous relationship.
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I just wiki'd it and basically you're a ridiculous more times likely to get it from drugs (needles) than sex. Hell, there was a movie about in the 90's with Irish White Guys getting it, think it was called 'Train'.
The stigma is it's a 'bad', 'wrong', 'horrible' disease. As a conservative right, slightly tea party guy, I just see it as another virus. It's nothing different from a common cold except our bodies don't have the means to fight it. I do not find it hard to believe that the US hasn't found a resolution, they can't cure the common cold. You're never cured from a cold, it's a virus, it's only contained and you treat the symptons. As an engineer, that just doesn't make sense.
You're right. There shouldn't be a moral judgement when someone gets infected. They may be drug addicted, or they may be gay, or they may be straight and had unprotected sex. But that doesn't deserve a moral judgement.
Now, it's a pretty nasty disease if you remain untreated. Your survival is very short, maybe 3-5 years. But if you get on modern treatment your survival is, at this time, an unknown long time. Remember Magic Johnson?
(1) He got it from a woman
(2) He's still alive and healthy
And he got infected in 1993. That's when the modern treatment came out. The virus appeared in the USA in the late 70s (actually before that but it's the 70s that we can track it back to). So from then until the early 90s getting HIV was a death sentence. Not any more. People who get on modern treatment after 93 are STILL ALIVE.
So it's no longer a certain death sentence.
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I thought needle drugs were mostly out, I heard about them nonstop as a kid in the 80's and 90's. I never hear that now.
Maybe that's it and their partners are into drugs, I don't know, but HIV infections is what 1/3 of 1% of the population? And it's a virus, that's it, just another virus our bodies can't fight.
We've gone to the moon, almost bottom of the earth, the microprocessor, lunar robots, etc but the most import discovery was Penicillin and that can't treat a virus. We have nothing to treat a virus. Regardless of if it's HIV or the common cold. We are vulnerable
That 1/3 of 1% is the US prevalence. So, sure, most people are not at high risk. But people cannot be complacent. I have at least one friend, a woman, who became infected in the past couple of years. She was not a promiscuous person. She does not do drugs.
In some AFrican countries the prevalence is >25%. Can you imagine a place where more than a quarter of your population has the virus?
Look, I am not really responding to specifically you. I just wanted to set a few things straight for everyone.
While HIV is no longer a certain death sentence it's still a nasty disease.
the CDC reports that compared to other races, black women have fewer lifetime sexual partners and least likely to participate in high risk activity.yet they account for most of the hiv rates, so how are they getting it?
They are getting it from one of their sexual partners by having unprotected sex and that partner is on the "down-low". That's the source for this concentrated epidemic.
the CDC reports that compared to other races, black women have fewer lifetime sexual partners and least likely to participate in high risk activity.yet they account for most of the hiv rates, so how are they getting it?
I personally feel (as a black woman) that black women are more trusting of their partners and that we shouldn't be. I know that I was too trusting when I was younger even though I knew of HIV and how to protect myself, but I was young and dumb in this area. Luckily I have never had any STD or HIV but regardless I look back and see how dumb I was and hope my daughter is not anything like me in that regard.
I also feel black women are more forgiving of cheating men than we should be. Even though you see the stereotypical angry, attitude prone, cutting up tires black woman in the media, the fact remains that many of us will take back a cheating man and I know some who have not insisted on STD/HIV screenings after the face because they "don't want to know." I also know some who did do screenings on themselves and found themselves to have been infected by a cheating boyfriend/spouse, men who they were in long term relationships with and who they did not feel they needed to continuously use condoms with. I mean, most people who are in committed relationships (2 years or more) do not use condoms specifically for STD protection.
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They are getting it from one of their sexual partners by having unprotected sex and that partner is on the "down-low". That's the source for this concentrated epidemic.
I also do feel that this contributes to the rise in HIV infections in black women, especially here in Atlanta. I have gay friends (black males) who have told me that they found out that their new guy friend is married and had kids after they have had sex with them. Those guys deny that they are gay and just act like that part of their lives don't exist when they are with their woman and family.
Personally I feel this is due to the continued stigma perpetuated against gay men in the black community. They are afraid to be themselves and live secrete lives, which negatively affect their families and themselves.
I also feel that the fact that a lot of black men go to prison contributes to black women with HIV infection. As much as we don't want to talk about it, many men are sexually assaulted in prison and may end up infected and infect their girlfriends/wives upon their release.
I personally feel (as a black woman) that black women are more trusting of their partners and that we shouldn't be. I know that I was too trusting when I was younger even though I knew of HIV and how to protect myself, but I was young and dumb in this area. Luckily I have never had any STD or HIV but regardless I look back and see how dumb I was and hope my daughter is not anything like me in that regard.
I also feel black women are more forgiving of cheating men than we should be. Even though you see the stereotypical angry, attitude prone, cutting up tires black woman in the media, the fact remains that many of us will take back a cheating man and I know some who have not insisted on STD/HIV screenings after the face because they "don't want to know." I also know some who did do screenings on themselves and found themselves to have been infected by a cheating boyfriend/spouse, men who they were in long term relationships with and who they did not feel they needed to continuously use condoms with. I mean, most people who are in committed relationships (2 years or more) do not use condoms specifically for STD protection.
I also do feel that this contributes to the rise in HIV infections in black women, especially here in Atlanta. I have gay friends (black males) who have told me that they found out that their new guy friend is married and had kids after they have had sex with them. Those guys deny that they are gay and just act like that part of their lives don't exist when they are with their woman and family.
Personally I feel this is due to the continued stigma perpetuated against gay men in the black community. They are afraid to be themselves and live secrete lives, which negatively affect their families and themselves.
I also feel that the fact that a lot of black men go to prison contributes to black women with HIV infection. As much as we don't want to talk about it, many men are sexually assaulted in prison and may end up infected and infect their girlfriends/wives upon their release.
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There are many many black men who are married and engage in homosexual behavior. They do not consider themselves gay. Period!! When I was in college in New York, I was astounded at the # of black gay males who were popular, dataing women and were sleeping with men. The school was Stony Brook. In fact I was hit on by a few of the men. I was like WTF, because my idea of a gay male was well, someone very feminate and flamboyant. This was not the case at Stony Brook. The stigma and harsh treatment in the black community againsts gays is what drives this. It's the reason someone like Tyler Perry (who is gay) would never admit to it. Look at the gospel singers and the black church (Tonex, D. McClurkin, James Cleveland, Eddie Long, etc...). Tonex was married folks. MCClurkin had a child after his gay "confession".
If blacks would just let folks live, stop casting a negative stigma on black gays, this would help. But this jumping from gender to gender has to stop.
For this reason I am now for gay marriage. Let them marry and be happy. But if you as a man, sleep with men, PLEASE, LEAVE BLACK WOMEN ALONE!!!!!!!!!!
The stigma and harsh treatment in the black community againsts gays is what drives this. It's the reason someone like Tyler Perry (who is gay) would never admit to it.
Now how do you know for sure that man is gay? Come on now.
Now how do you know for sure that man is gay? Come on now.
I have a friend..basically a best friend for more than 16 years. He has never been with a woman. I have nvere seen him date one. There were always questions about him. I went to his apartment a year ago (he lives in NY) and he had some friends over. I never met these people. They were gay. Let's just say his body langauage was less than masculine that day.
I am still friends with him and he sometimes talks of marriage to a woman. If he could just find the right one. Please. The dude is gay and is not interested in heterosexual love. Now he may one day get married to a woman. For children or business reasons. But the dude is gay.
No one has to tell me Tyler is gay. He is. And I do not care that he is. But Tyler is not interested in women. Neither was Luther Vandross. Please let's stop lying to ourselves.
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