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Old 06-17-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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Yeah, the bike/pedestrian issue often gets overlooked.

There have been many unfortunate incidents over the years, and the risk increases as we have more people out walking and biking.

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Old 06-17-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Kudos to anyone that tries to ride a bicycle in Atlanta. I sure wouldn't do it, that's for sure. I rode a bike as a kid, but the older I got, the more I realized that the car is king.

Maybe bicyclists would curry more favor with the public if they got more involved in the politics of the roads. I would wonder why the truly diehard bicycle enthusiasts don't just adopt a city or county, say like Decatur & Dekalb County, and just invade the heck out of those political domains, such as the Mayor's office, or Commissioners' offices. Then they could put in some more bike-friendly local ordinances and direct that any new road and bridge retrofittings have an accompanying bike path.

Because it's obvious that the pushy "I'm gonna bicycle anywhere I darn well please and to heck with the consequences" approach hasn't really gotten any really significant results beyond the typical piecemeal bike trail or bike path on the road here or there. And all this mindset does is leave the non-bicycling crowd with harsh feelings towards bicyclists...because at the end of the day, it's the non-bicyclists/car drivers who seem to have more pull with your typical Georgia politicians.

At least, that's my take on the situation.

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Old 06-17-2012, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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That's just the thing, around here bike lanes ARE plentiful. All of the major streets in my neighborhood have them, and cyclists use them constantly. That's why I couldn't understand WTH he was doing on the sidewalk. We had bike lanes up both sides of my street for as long as I've been here. We just got sidewalks. I hadn't given much thought to cyclists prior to that encounter. I have no problem sharing the road, but they get the road and the sidewalk TOO!? I think not. If my baby had been hurt I would've hounded that jackass to the grave.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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Maybe bicyclists would curry more favor with the public if they got more involved in the politics of the roads. I would wonder why the truly diehard bicycle enthusiasts don't just adopt a city or county, say like Decatur & Dekalb County, and just invade the heck out of those political domains, such as the Mayor's office, or Commissioners' offices. Then they could put in some more bike-friendly local ordinances and direct that any new road and bridge retrofittings have an accompanying bike path.
I've heard opposition to bike lanes and paths within the city on the grounds that it's just more yuppie colonization. "Why," the argument runs, "should we be spending money so that some 20-something who has suddenly decided it's cool to move into the city can sport around on his $1200 bike?" Not that I entirely agree, I'm just saying that sentiment is out there.

For what it's worth, the issues for bicyclists and pedestrians really aren't the same, other than the fact that they can both be mowed down by a car.

I started this thread because I think that in order to make Atlanta more pedestrian friendly, pedestrians need to do their part as well. They need to know the rules for safe walking, and be able to interact with bicycles and motorized vehicles.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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That's relative.

I'm speaking in general here, not just some piecemeal stuff here or there. What I'm talking about here is about bike paths that can be utilized in the same exact way as you would drive a car on the road in any given part of Decatur or Atlanta.

There are no bike paths in my neighborhood, not even sidewalks until you get on the main roads, and that's the reality for a lot of older pre-1960s-built neighborhoods in Dekalb. There's no bike path going down Church Street from downtown Decatur, there's no bike path that leads from the Dekalb Avenue straight into the downtown Atlanta, and not one on Ponce de Leon from Decatur towards Atlanta.

It would be easier for folks to have more affinity with the bicyclists if the paths were more present in many parts of the metro Atlanta. Otherwise bicyclists can continue to expect the frosty reception that they've always had.


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That's just the thing, around here bike lanes ARE plentiful. All of the major streets in my neighborhood have them, and cyclists use them constantly. That's why I couldn't understand WTH he was doing on the sidewalk. We had bike lanes up both sides of my street for as long as I've been here. We just got sidewalks. I hadn't given much thought to cyclists prior to that encounter. I have no problem sharing the road, but they get the road and the sidewalk TOO!? I think not. If my baby had been hurt I would've hounded that jackass to the grave.

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Old 06-17-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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That's why I suggested that bicycle enthusiasts should learn to get into politics and start electing people that will curry favor with them. In the south, it's power that matters. And amassing political power is the only way to get things done around here.

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I've heard opposition to bike lanes and paths within the city on the grounds that it's just more yuppie colonization. "Why," the argument runs, "should we be spending money so that some 20-something who has suddenly decided it's cool to move into the city can sport around on his $1200 bike?" Not that I entirely agree, I'm just saying that sentiment is out there.

For what it's worth, the issues for bicyclists and pedestrians really aren't the same, other than the fact that they can both be mowed down by a car.

I started this thread because I think that in order to make Atlanta more pedestrian friendly, pedestrians need to do their part as well. They need to know the rules for safe walking, and be able to interact with bicycles and motorized vehicles.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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I started this thread because I think that in order to make Atlanta more pedestrian friendly, pedestrians need to do their part as well. They need to know the rules for safe walking, and be able to interact with bicycles and motorized vehicles.
I agree wholeheartedly. An issue we have here in Dunwoody pertains to people walking their dogs in the early morning hours on the streets that don't have sidewalks. I'm convinced that one of these days I'm going to hit one because they insist on walking their dogs at the same time that people are taking their kids to school. It's dark, they're in dark, non-reflective clothing walking the wrong way!!! I always obey the speed limit, but a lot of people don't, and will pass on these narrow, hilly roads. It's a tragedy just waiting to happen.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:53 PM
 
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That's why I suggested that bicycle enthusiasts should learn to get into politics and start electing people that will curry favor with them. In the south, it's power that matters. And amassing political power is the only way to get things done around here.
True, although the bicycle enthusiasts will have to rely on their smarts and good looks, since there aren't enough of them to win on numbers.
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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I agree wholeheartedly. An issue we have here in Dunwoody pertains to people walking their dogs in the early morning hours on the streets that don't have sidewalks. I'm convinced that one of these days I'm going to hit one because they insist on walking their dogs at the same time that people are taking their kids to school. It's dark, they're in dark, non-reflective clothing walking the wrong way!!! I always obey the speed limit, but a lot of people don't, and will pass on these narrow, hilly roads. It's a tragedy just waiting to happen.
I hear you, Roslyn.

The morning and evening hours are especially dangerous in my opinion. I am a big pedestrian advocate and try to always be VERY aware of people on foot. But I can't tell you how many close calls I've had pulling out of my driveway in the morning or early evening. Even when you are watching carefully, if someone comes running down the sidewalk (with headphones on and oblivious to the world), it may still be hard to see them until they are right there.

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Old 06-17-2012, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You're right on that one.

I would add that the few bicycling enthusiasts I've met by far are usually pretty self-interested and clique-ish. Definitely not the types that could inspire anyone outside of the bicycling community to join their cause.

Not that I'm saying that all of the bicycling crowd are like this, because I know a lot of regular joe food delivery types who are very laid back.

But the yuppie crowd? The ones with the professional biking gear...a lot of them tend to move around with their heads up their hindquarters.

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True, although the bicycle enthusiasts will have to rely on their smarts and good looks, since there aren't enough of them to win on numbers.
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