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Also I didn't say all residences, I said houses, not condos. I live mostly around homes and believe me, they ain't $100k or even close to that. And yeah condos on Pharr maybe cheap because they are out of date and empty, but the actual nice ones right up the street on Peachtree start at $300k, many of them. Also we are speaking from two different perspectives. You are speaking as a single person under the assumption that everyone wants to live in a condo. I'm speaking from a family persepctive. I used to rent a condo on Pharr Road and many of those places are cheap and in poor condition (and also full of riff-raff many of them) because the owners can't sell them because still people are out of work and can't rent, much less buy. Many people want houses, not condos, again which is why those you listed are so cheap. And while you want to prove me wrong, do that if it makes you feel good. But I know where I live and I know what real estate costs in my own neighborhood.
For people who have children who would like to live in homes and not condos, the nice intown neighborhoods are not affordable for most.
U are all over the place.. first u say there arent any affordable intown nieghborhoods then u exclude intown nieghborhoods and just say your nieghborhood . Mutiny showed u other desirable affordable intown nieghborhoods and u still wont admit there are other desirable intown nieghborhoods that are affordable other than Buckhead.. please go somewhere and take several seats
U are all over the place.. first u say there arent any affordable intown nieghborhoods then u exclude intown nieghborhoods and just say your nieghborhood . Mutiny showed u other desirable affordable intown nieghborhoods and u still wont admit there are other desirable intown nieghborhoods that are affordable other than Buckhead.. please go somewhere and take several seats
When I say affordable I'm not talking about condos, as condo living isn't suitable for everyone, I'm talking about houses. I thought I made that clear. And yes a single person can find a cheap apt or condo. I have found cheap apts myself (they were usually dumps but still cheap nonetheless). But when that single person is no longer single, wants to start a family and buy a home, Atlanta is no longer so affordable afterall.
Why don't you go somewhere and take several seats since you can't participate in a discussion without resorting to personal attacks.
I have not tried to attack anyone yet I'm the one being attacked.
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I should be asking u that u seem offended that people actually found Atlanta to be a better place. Im not offended,I understand that people don't want the Atlanta lifestyle. I also understand that many people don't enjoy the nyc lifestyle either. We have so many great cities to choose from and there's room for everyone. Sorry that atlanta has not offered u the best lifestyle that suits you, but you need to move on to somewhere else. Let those who enjoy atlanta enjoy it. There are plenty who do and I am one of them. There are also people who have left and thought it was greener on the other side and ended up coming back. So my friend it goes both ways
What did I say that showed I was offended? I even agreed that Atlanta has some beautiful neighborhoods, which it does. Hoewever, I never called anyone a liar, but I have been called one.
It concerns me that so many people want to live here when there aren't many jobs and I don't understand that.
When I say affordable I'm not talking about condos, I'm talking about houses. I thought I made that clear. Why don't you go somewhere and take several seats since you can't participate in a discussion without resorting to personal attacks.
I have not tried to attack anyone yet I'm the one being attacked.
No one ones attacking u. Your just being informed. people have already told u why they want to be here there are several post now saying why... have a good night and enjoy your weekend here in Atlanta LOL.
No one ones attacking u. Your just being informed. people have already told u why they want to be here there are several post now saying why... have a good night and enjoy your weekend here in Atlanta LOL.
Also I didn't say all residences, I said houses, not condos. I live mostly around homes and believe me, they ain't $100k or even close to that. And yeah condos on Pharr maybe cheap because they are out of date and empty, but the actual nice ones right up the street on Peachtree start at $300k, many of them. Also we are speaking from two different perspectives. You are speaking as a single person under the assumption that everyone wants to live in a condo. I'm speaking from a family persepctive. I used to rent a condo on Pharr Road and many of those places are cheap and in poor condition (and also full of riff-raff many of them) because the owners can't sell them because still people are out of work and can't rent, much less buy. Many people want houses, not condos, again which is why those you listed are so cheap. And while you want to prove me wrong, do that if it makes you feel good. But I know where I live and I know what real estate costs in my own neighborhood.
For people who have children who would like to live in homes and not condos, the nice intown neighborhoods are not affordable for most.
I notice that compared to your very first post in this thread, which was extremely broad (you didn't even single out Atlanta, but said Georgia), your criteria keep getting narrower and narrower. If you're the one that can't communicate what you accurately mean from the outset, why are you getting all upset that people are pointing out the holes in your arguments? If this subject was only about families with school-age children who desire to live in single-family homes in the city limits of Atlanta, then that should have been clearly stated at the outset. You're the one who failed to make this clear and want to go on a rampage when shown how wrong you are when you cast the very broad net that you initially did. I find it quite amusing myself.
But even considering SFR with 2+ BR's in decent intown neighborhoods, you're still very inaccurate in saying that housing prices are going start around $1 million. Here are listings for single family homes going for $350K or less in just two intown neighborhoods that prove you wrong, Grant Park and Kirkwood:
Now of course, the most desirable intown neighborhoods will have the highest housing prices; that's across the board. However, most families with school-age children are clearly opting for the suburbs which is what you can't seem to understand. And you seem to think that because your experience with schools in the suburbs was crap that that must be true for every parent, but it's not.
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I've never tried to deride you. You are taking this discussion way too seriously and way too personally. You don't agree with my pespective and you want to attack me and call a liar because I don't like this place as much as you do. I have not done that to you.
LOL, you most certainly did deride me and I never once attacked you or called you a liar. I only pointed out your hypocrisy for initially saying that you weren't talking about the suburbs in this thread but only the actual city of Atlanta but then mentioned downtown Decatur, and how you're quite wrong in implying that 2BR homes in desirable neighborhoods start out at around $1 million. If you want to talk about the less-than-stellar job and housing markets here, we can certainly do that as we've done since the start of the recession. But when you start out by asking "Why do people still want to move/live here?" and people start naming reasons and you say, "Oh, I'm not talking about suburbs" and then "Oh, I'm not talking about single people/childless couples" and "Oh, I'm only talking about SFR, not talking about condos and townhomes," your credibility becomes eroded over time. It's your own fault for badly communicating your actual position from the start--that is, if this IS your actual position and you just feel the need to change the goalposts in the middle of the argument because you keep getting proven wrong.
But the issues I initially brought up aren't being addressed. I asked why people want to be here when there is no work and I keep getting it has great neighborhoods and is cheaper than other cities. I have agreed that there are great areas. I have also agreed that housing is cheaper compared other metro areas. Are you all suggesting that Atlanta is so great that people should come here anyway even if they can't find work? And yes again, for the jobs that are here, the salaries are low compared to the cost of living.
For those who were able to transfer here with aleady good-paying jobs, sure it's great. But again for those who want to move here without jobs but can't find work, why would you want to move to a place that has no jobs? That is the question that's not being answered. A great neighborhood isn't so great if you can't afford to live there. And a cheap city isn't so cheap when there are no jobs. Are the people living in these great areas going to let the people who can't find work move in with them?
It has been predicted by economic experts (not by me) that Atlanta is behind other metro areas in job/recession recovery, that it's going to take at least ten years for Georgia's job market to fully recover. It's also been reported that the jobs that have been added are mostly low-paying service jobs, that many of the jobs that were lost here are never coming back, and that many GA residents who were once well-to-do before the recession who have lost their jobs since the recession will most likely never find work again, and that those who have been able to find work are now grossly underemployed.
Also, the State of Georgia is ranked in the top 5 of American states that has the most deaths due to lack of health insurance. If people don't have jobs, they can't have health insurance. Then there are those who once had jobs with benefits who have since become underemployed and now can't afford it. Atlanta has also been rated as one the most expensive cities to live in after of the cost of commuting has been factored into the cost of living. The quality of Georgia's education is ranked as one of the lowest in the nation. The APS cheating scandal--APS officials and teachers fudging standardized test scores to boost them so they won't lose funding--is indicative of that.
These are major issues that GA/Metro Atlanta is faced with. As someone who has lived here for many years I see these things as major quality of life issues that should not be ignored.
If you are already here, finding work and jobs that pay decent is extremely difficult. If you are from out of town looking for work and aren't transferring, it's extremely difficult to find work. And for those of you who said there are lots of jobs in IT, not everyone who wants to move here is a IT professional, so if you aren't in IT what jobs are there?
If you moved here with a great-paying job in tow, this conversation doesn't apply to you. I was specifically wondering why so many people want to move when they have been so vocal about the inability to find a job. Why move to a place with such a horrible job market and serious economic and educational problems. If jobs were plentiful here, then sure come. But they aren't, so why do people what to be in a place with such a bad job market and has all the problems mentioned above. These are issues specifically problematic for people who have children or who want to start a family.
"Sure the job market still isn't great but the neighborhods are nice and it's very green" isn't the answer I'm looking for. As I've already mentioned, I agree that Atlanta has beautiful areas. Saying that there are nice areas and lots of trees isn't answering my question. But since there are so many people who say they want to move here but can't find work, maybe they can come here and build treehouses for themselves and their families and live in all those beautiful trees while they look for work.
Again, how can an area that has so many quality of life issues be a great place to live for those who aren't transerring here with high salaries and can't find work?
But the issues I initially brought up aren't being addressed. I asked why people want to be here when there is no work and I keep getting it has great neighborhoods and is cheaper than other cities. I have agreed that there are great areas. I have also agreed that housing is cheaper compared other metro areas. Are you all suggesting that Atlanta is so great that people should come here anyway even if they can't find work? And yes again, for the jobs that are here, the salaries are low compared to the cost of living.
For those who were able to transfer here with aleady good-paying jobs, sure it's great. But again for those who want to move here without jobs but can't find work, why would you want to move to a place that has no jobs? That is the question that's not being answered. A great neighborhood isn't so great if you can't afford to live there. And a cheap city isn't so cheap when there are no jobs. Are the people living in these great areas going to let the people who can't find work move in with them?
It has been predicted by economic experts (not by me) that Atlanta is behind other metro areas in job/recession recovery, that it's going to take at least ten years for Georgia's job market to fully recover. It's also been reported that the jobs that have been added are mostly low-paying service jobs, that many of the jobs that were lost here are never coming back, and that many GA residents who were once well-to-do before the recession who have lost their jobs since the recession will most likely never find work again, and that those who have been able to find work are now grossly underemployed.
Also, the State of Georgia is ranked in the top 5 of American states that has the most deaths due to lack of health insurance. If people don't have jobs, they can't have health insurance. Then there are those who once had jobs with benefits who have since become underemployed and now can't afford it. Atlanta has also been rated as one the most expensive cities to live in after of the cost of commuting has been factored into the cost of living. The quality of Georgia's education is ranked as one of the lowest in the nation. The APS cheating scandal--APS officials and teachers fudging standardized test scores to boost them so they won't lose funding--is indicative of that.
These are major issues that GA/Metro Atlanta is faced with. As someone who has lived here for many years I see these things as major quality of life issues that should not be ignored.
If you are already here, finding work and jobs that pay decent is extremely difficult. If you are from out of town looking for work and aren't transferring, it's extremely difficult to find work. And for those of you who said there are lots of jobs in IT, not everyone who wants to move here is a IT professional, so if you aren't in IT what jobs are there?
If you moved here with a great-paying job in tow, this conversation doesn't apply to you. I was specifically wondering why so many people want to move when they have been so vocal about the inability to find a job. Why move to a place with such a horrible job market and serious economic and educational problems. If jobs were plentiful here, then sure come. But they aren't, so why do people what to be in a place with such a bad job market and has all the problems mentioned above. These are issues specifically problematic for people who have children or who want to start a family.
"Sure the job market still isn't great but the neighborhods are nice and it's very green" isn't the answer I'm looking for. As I've already mentioned, I agree that Atlanta has beautiful areas. Saying that there are nice areas and lots of trees isn't answering my question. But since there are so many people who say they want to move here but can't find work, maybe they can come here and build treehouses for themselves and their families and live in all those beautiful trees while they look for work.
Again, how can an area that has so many quality of life issues be a great place to live for those who aren't transerring here with high salaries and can't find work?
Your post makes too much sense. Shhhhhh! That's the sound of Atlanta's collective brain exploding from too much peach kool-aid.
Atlanta has always been about hype not substance. It epitomizes the post-WW2 suburban American dream transplanted to the Deep South and grown completely out of control. For too long the dream seemed real. Atlanta's motto has been cheap land and low taxes, and they will come.
That was great in the 70s and 80s when the American economy produced tangible goods. When our federal tax rates were higher. When the chasm between the rich and the poor wasn't as wide or as deep. When there were more social safety nets on the government side, and corporations offered pensions to dedicated employees. When there was a thriving middle class!
Conservatives like to misquote Margaret Thatcher: "socialism is great until you run out of other people's money". I like to respond that capitalism is great until the money stops flowing. Then what? Then the government must step in and open those greedy hands at the top to let the "trickle down" start again.
But it's not the 70s and 80s anymore. Atlanta is ground zero for the tea party. When you cut off the government's nose to spite its face, who is going to step in to get that money flowing again? Who is going to support public transportation options and smart growth and pollution controls if it isn't profitable? Who is going to control sprawl, set up strict building codes and regulate guns from getting into the hands of criminals when the economic, social and physical safety of the public is at risk.
These are the reasons Atlanta looks less and less attractive to the rest of the country: crime, sprawl, pollution, pathetic transportation infrastructure, cheaply made strip malls and homes, and backwards politics. It is why I moved from there twice now. The only way overhyped leaders are going to wake up from this "peach dream" is when they see rapid population loss out of the state of Georgia.
But the issues I initially brought up aren't being addressed. I asked why people want to be here when there is no work and I keep getting it has great neighborhoods and is cheaper than other cities. I have agreed that there are great areas. I have also agreed that housing is cheaper compared other metro areas. Are you all suggesting that Atlanta is so great that people should come here anyway even if they can't find work? And yes again, for the jobs that are here, the salaries are low compared to the cost of living.
For those who were able to transfer here with aleady good-paying jobs, sure it's great. But again for those who want to move here without jobs but can't find work, why would you want to move to a place that has no jobs? That is the question that's not being answered. A great neighborhood isn't so great if you can't afford to live there. And a cheap city isn't so cheap when there are no jobs. Are the people living in these great areas going to let the people who can't find work move in with them?
It has been predicted by economic experts (not by me) that Atlanta is behind other metro areas in job/recession recovery, that it's going to take at least ten years for Georgia's job market to fully recover. It's also been reported that the jobs that have been added are mostly low-paying service jobs, that many of the jobs that were lost here are never coming back, and that many GA residents who were once well-to-do before the recession who have lost their jobs since the recession will most likely never find work again, and that those who have been able to find work are now grossly underemployed.
Also, the State of Georgia is ranked in the top 5 of American states that has the most deaths due to lack of health insurance. If people don't have jobs, they can't have health insurance. Then there are those who once had jobs with benefits who have since become underemployed and now can't afford it. Atlanta has also been rated as one the most expensive cities to live in after of the cost of commuting has been factored into the cost of living. The quality of Georgia's education is ranked as one of the lowest in the nation. The APS cheating scandal--APS officials and teachers fudging standardized test scores to boost them so they won't lose funding--is indicative of that.
These are major issues that GA/Metro Atlanta is faced with. As someone who has lived here for many years I see these things as major quality of life issues that should not be ignored.
If you are already here, finding work and jobs that pay decent is extremely difficult. If you are from out of town looking for work and aren't transferring, it's extremely difficult to find work. And for those of you who said there are lots of jobs in IT, not everyone who wants to move here is a IT professional, so if you aren't in IT what jobs are there?
If you moved here with a great-paying job in tow, this conversation doesn't apply to you. I was specifically wondering why so many people want to move when they have been so vocal about the inability to find a job. Why move to a place with such a horrible job market and serious economic and educational problems. If jobs were plentiful here, then sure come. But they aren't, so why do people what to be in a place with such a bad job market and has all the problems mentioned above. These are issues specifically problematic for people who have children or who want to start a family.
"Sure the job market still isn't great but the neighborhods are nice and it's very green" isn't the answer I'm looking for. As I've already mentioned, I agree that Atlanta has beautiful areas. Saying that there are nice areas and lots of trees isn't answering my question. But since there are so many people who say they want to move here but can't find work, maybe they can come here and build treehouses for themselves and their families and live in all those beautiful trees while they look for work.
Again, how can an area that has so many quality of life issues be a great place to live for those who aren't transerring here with high salaries and can't find work?
Gonna need some sources before anyone even begins to address this. Most expensive cities?
Source please. What is field and salary and maybe we can tell you why you aren't doing well, otherwise just leave.
But the issues I initially brought up aren't being addressed. I asked why people want to be here when there is no work and I keep getting it has great neighborhoods and is cheaper than other cities. I have agreed that there are great areas. I have also agreed that housing is cheaper compared other metro areas. Are you all suggesting that Atlanta is so great that people should come here anyway even if they can't find work? And yes again, for the jobs that are here, the salaries are low compared to the cost of living.
For those who were able to transfer here with aleady good-paying jobs, sure it's great. But again for those who want to move here without jobs but can't find work, why would you want to move to a place that has no jobs? That is the question that's not being answered. A great neighborhood isn't so great if you can't afford to live there. And a cheap city isn't so cheap when there are no jobs. Are the people living in these great areas going to let the people who can't find work move in with them?
It has been predicted by economic experts (not by me) that Atlanta is behind other metro areas in job/recession recovery, that it's going to take at least ten years for Georgia's job market to fully recover. It's also been reported that the jobs that have been added are mostly low-paying service jobs, that many of the jobs that were lost here are never coming back, and that many GA residents who were once well-to-do before the recession who have lost their jobs since the recession will most likely never find work again, and that those who have been able to find work are now grossly underemployed.
Also, the State of Georgia is ranked in the top 5 of American states that has the most deaths due to lack of health insurance. If people don't have jobs, they can't have health insurance. Then there are those who once had jobs with benefits who have since become underemployed and now can't afford it. Atlanta has also been rated as one the most expensive cities to live in after of the cost of commuting has been factored into the cost of living. The quality of Georgia's education is ranked as one of the lowest in the nation. The APS cheating scandal--APS officials and teachers fudging standardized test scores to boost them so they won't lose funding--is indicative of that.
These are major issues that GA/Metro Atlanta is faced with. As someone who has lived here for many years I see these things as major quality of life issues that should not be ignored.
If you are already here, finding work and jobs that pay decent is extremely difficult. If you are from out of town looking for work and aren't transferring, it's extremely difficult to find work. And for those of you who said there are lots of jobs in IT, not everyone who wants to move here is a IT professional, so if you aren't in IT what jobs are there?
If you moved here with a great-paying job in tow, this conversation doesn't apply to you. I was specifically wondering why so many people want to move when they have been so vocal about the inability to find a job. Why move to a place with such a horrible job market and serious economic and educational problems. If jobs were plentiful here, then sure come. But they aren't, so why do people what to be in a place with such a bad job market and has all the problems mentioned above. These are issues specifically problematic for people who have children or who want to start a family.
"Sure the job market still isn't great but the neighborhods are nice and it's very green" isn't the answer I'm looking for. As I've already mentioned, I agree that Atlanta has beautiful areas. Saying that there are nice areas and lots of trees isn't answering my question. But since there are so many people who say they want to move here but can't find work, maybe they can come here and build treehouses for themselves and their families and live in all those beautiful trees while they look for work.
Again, how can an area that has so many quality of life issues be a great place to live for those who aren't transerring here with high salaries and can't find work?
This is not a new topic; we've talked about this ad infinitum on here. I moved to the area in the wake of the recession in 2010 to start a new career; already had a job lined up. The people that I know who are looking to move to the area (all single professionals like myself) have been interviewing for jobs and aren't coming without that lined up. For the people who are moving without jobs lined up, many of them have the inaccurate perception that the recession didn't affect Atlanta and that jobs are still plentiful here, and that's unfortunate.
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people have already told u why they want to be here there are several post now saying why... have a good night and enjoy your weekend here in Atlanta LOL. 
