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Old 07-05-2012, 09:21 AM
 
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A park? Will this be more bedding for the homeless?
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Old 07-05-2012, 10:00 AM
 
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A park? Will this be more bedding for the homeless?

I hope your a troll, if not then your sad.

Not building a park for fear of the homeless using it to sleep is like not breathing for fear of toxic gas.

Parks are a tremindus asset to the community and can jump start develpment in an area that needs it, look at Centinneal park or Fourth Ward park. Imagine the effects on the west side of midtown (that is currently dominated by surface lots) if a park is built over the connector.
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Old 07-06-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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I hope your a troll, if not then your sad.

Not building a park for fear of the homeless using it to sleep is like not breathing for fear of toxic gas.

Parks are a tremindus asset to the community and can jump start develpment in an area that needs it, look at Centinneal park or Fourth Ward park. Imagine the effects on the west side of midtown (that is currently dominated by surface lots) if a park is built over the connector.
No, not a troll, but I do have big feet. I think you are offering up a bad example. Have you seen the amount of homeless people around Centennial Park including the nearby area of the aquarium? It's not pretty and I would go out on a limb and also offer the suggestion the area is not at all safe (not necessarily because of the homeless) and has not gone through much growth.

In my opinion, and I can be very wrong, covering the connector with a park by itself will not revitalize the western part of downtown. The key is to rid the area of the crime and helping the homeless get reintegrated into society). Afterwards, I would agree with you a park would offer up a nice incentive for residences and businesses, but will we ever solve the crime and homeless issue downtown? I love parks more than anyone, but the park needs to be clean and safe.

Did you happen to notice the amount of homeless people pushed out of the center on the 4th? For the second year in a row, I witnessed a good amount of them waiting outside of the Perimeter Station on Wednesday morning during my run. The city doesn't fix the issue, it pushes it from one place to another and tries to ignore it as much as possible. Lastly, another item needed for the center to gain more appeal, are more MARTA stations throughout Atlanta and the suburbs and much much faster trains.
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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No, not a troll, but I do have big feet. I think you are offering up a bad example. Have you seen the amount of homeless people around Centennial Park including the nearby area of the aquarium? It's not pretty and I would go out on a limb and also offer the suggestion the area is not at all safe (not necessarily because of the homeless) and has not gone through much growth.

In my opinion, and I can be very wrong, covering the connector with a park by itself will not revitalize the western part of downtown. The key is to rid the area of the crime and helping the homeless get reintegrated into society). Afterwards, I would agree with you a park would offer up a nice incentive for residences and businesses, but will we ever solve the crime and homeless issue downtown? I love parks more than anyone, but the park needs to be clean and safe.

Did you happen to notice the amount of homeless people pushed out of the center on the 4th? For the second year in a row, I witnessed a good amount of them waiting outside of the Perimeter Station on Wednesday morning during my run. The city doesn't fix the issue, it pushes it from one place to another and tries to ignore it as much as possible. Lastly, another item needed for the center to gain more appeal, are more MARTA stations throughout Atlanta and the suburbs and much much faster trains.
Really

That area is safe and I guess that the Aquarium, Coke Meuseum, Center for Cival and Human Rights, 2 new residential towers, 2 new hotel towers does not count as growth.

How long have you been in Atlanta? Do you know what was there before the park? Abandoned Industrial buildings.
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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Do you know what was there before the park? Abandoned Industrial buildings.
Speaking of which, does anyone have any good pictures of the area before park came in? I'm starting to appreciate this phrase : I am too young to remember that area before the park. Were there any memorable buildings, restaurants, porno stores in that area? Was it a safe area of town to walk through? Im guessing not due to the vicinity of the Techwood Projects.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Just posted this in another thread, but.

If I could add one thing to MARTA, this would be it.

West Midtown - North Peachtree Line.
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid...20044,0.038581
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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much much faster trains.
The trains average 45 mph in the tunnels and reach speeds of 70 mph between Arts Center-Lindbergh, Lindbergh-Buckhead, and Buckhead-Medical Center. The spacing of stations has a lot to do with train speeds. The more concentrated stations the lower the speeds. Now frequency is something different, but the combined Red/Gold lines see trains every 7 minutes during the day.
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West Midtown - North Peachtree Line.
That line would cost billions. That route could be accomplished with streetcars. The BeltLine and proposed Peachtree Street Streetcar route would accomplish the same thing with less money and provide surface transit.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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The trains average 45 mph in the tunnels and reach speeds of 70 mph between Arts Center-Lindbergh, Lindbergh-Buckhead, and Buckhead-Medical Center. The spacing of stations has a lot to do with train speeds. The more concentrated stations the lower the speeds. Now frequency is something different, but the combined Red/Gold lines see trains every 7 minutes during the day.

That line would cost billions. That route could be accomplished with streetcars. The BeltLine and proposed Peachtree Street Streetcar route would accomplish the same thing with less money and provide surface transit.
I guess I spent too much time overseas. Marta is not fast nor frequent.
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Old 07-09-2012, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I guess I spent too much time overseas. Marta is not fast nor frequent.
This is america where people love their cars sooo much, they spend 2 hours a day in them.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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This is america where people love their cars sooo much, they spend 2 hours a day in them.
It's sad ... so many cities (including Atlanta) had wonderful streetcar networks once, but certain elements of corporate America helped to dissemble them.

Who spends two hours a day in their car? For me, it's more like 45 minutes unless I'm taking some sort of long trip. The only time I ever did that was back in 2003 when I had a contract 60 miles away from home, and that was rural interstate driving and relatively relaxing. And I was reimbursed for mileage.
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