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Old 07-05-2012, 07:51 PM
 
Location: ATL
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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I've never heard Alabamians bash Atlanta. Most of them come here periodically to shop, see friends, etc.

The biggest sentiment I get from friends in Alabama is that Atlanta is just too busy, crazy, spread out, trafficy, etc. and they don't mind visiting but just don't want that much hassle in their daily lives.

I think Birmingham doesn't grow quite on purpose and by design. The residents quietly observe from afar what extreme growth looks like and have decided that it's not the direction they want to go in.

Birmingham's city population has always been tiny. The area has always had a modest growth trajectory, which I assume continues, but it is certainly not in the city. It tends to be over the mountain and increasingly in Shelby county. That kind of life is not for everybody to be sure, but I can certainly understand how it is an easier life.
The rivalry between Atlanta and Birmingham was quite intense until the 60s. Atlanta was endowed with more visionary leadership (particularly Mayor William Hartsfield, who understood the importance of the citys future as an airline hub). To say that Birmingham never had such ambitions simply isnt so.
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Old 07-06-2012, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Interesting. Outside of metro ATL, GA has two F500 HQ's while AL has one, and both have similar populations and GDP's. Huntsville has the highest GDP out of the second-tier metros in both states.
Means absolutely nothing.I too grew up mostly in South Georgia(Warner Robins).Things like miltary bases are a major economic and clout producing element as well.WR has Robins AFB.So even though it is a southern town its also very progressive and diverse from all the different types of people.Dont get me wrong,there is a strong majority of conservatives but its never been a "Bible-Thumpung" type place.The economy is among the strongest out of all of Georgia.

I should also mention that these bases in Georgia are among THE most important in each military branch.These are very large employment centers.

Augusta=Fort Gordon-Approx. 30,000 from various branches, as well as govt contractors.

Columbus-Fort Benning-Home of the Infanty and is self-sustaining military community, which supports more than 120,000 active-duty military, family members, reserve component soldiers, retirees, and civilian employees on a daily basis.

Warner Robins-Robins AFB is the home of the Air Force Materiel Command's Warner Robins Air Logistics Center (WR-ALC) (FLZ) which is the worldwide manager for a wide range of aircraft, engines, missiles, software and avionics and accessories components. The commander of WR-ALC is Major General Robert H. McMahon. It is one of three Air Force Air Logistic Centers.
The Warner Robins Air Logistic Center and Robins AFB are jointly the largest single industrial complex in the State of Georgia. The 23,000 civilian employees have an annual payroll over $1 billion.

Savannah-Hinesville -Fort Stewart-The Fort Stewart Military Reservation includes approximately 280,000 acres (1,100 km2), making it the largest military installation in the Eastern United States.

Some of the smaller bases are:
Moody AFB
Dobbins AFB
Hunter AB
Marine Corps Supply Center
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Old 07-06-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Well this is what the census says. There's a one percentage point difference in the percentage of people living in poverty in the two states. Which is what the map cwkimbro posted shows. As I said,Alabama is backwards and knows it. Georgia, not so much. http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acsbr10-01.pdf
So Texas,Michigan,D.C.,and Florida should also be considered backwards if that is your criteria.What about per capita and median incomes?What about unemployment?Has Alabama even elected a minority to a statewide office more than one or two times?Didn't Georgia avoid being boycotted by changing its state flag?(Something Alabama still has not done)
I agree that progressive stream has slowed with current leadership but i gotta give credit where credit is due.Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal have been very actively attracting international business to Georgia and it has really panned out.Still not a fan but Nathan Deal has not been the nightmare I had expected.
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Having fortune 500 hq's doesn't really mean much when they employ 50 people. Whats the benefit of these HQ's for the state financially over the large industrial companies moving into Alabama? The industrial companies obviously bring more jobs and well, i'm pretty sure that's what the state needs right now.
Please note my earlier comment regarding military bases.These bases employ many more than 1 manufacturing plant could ever employ.The economic clout as well as the demographic impact really affects these areas greatly.
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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I don't think this influx of foreign manufacturers is anything to do a happy dance about. Why are they coming here? For the same reason companies used to go to Mexico and China. To find a cheaper labor force that they don't have to treat as well as they treat their laborers back home. It indicates to what degree southern states with their regressive tax structures and racialist politics have become Third World countries. They're given tremendous tax breaks and free sites, so they don't have to pay the high taxes their own countries charge. That may well and good for countries like Germany with a low unemployment rate, a well educated population and a quasi socialist political system. But here in the States it has an appalling impact. These companies are leeches and poor corporate citizens. When they find a cheaper labor force they'll pull out leaving desolation and ermpty tax coffers behind.
Lets face it.Southern States even today are playing catch up.They have to compete.They cannot compete with what has been traditional issues like education.Only now(or at least in the last 30-40 years),can they leverage what they have to compete with states that already have strong manufacturing bases.
This is why Georgia is not getting as many of these manufacturers because even though it has poverty and other issues,it still has more than its neighbors.Giving away millions of dollars of tax incentives when we have ports,a good transportation system and higher education options to use as creative ways to lure companies is much more desireable than ONLY being a cheap place to do business.

In other words companies(now more than ever) are always looking for wherever they can get for as little as possible.There has to be a balance in deciding how much to give to be able to compete without luring companies away.
Why would they leave?Toyota,Honda,Nissan are just a few foreign companies with plants in America for at least the last 30 years and growing more.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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So Texas,Michigan,D.C.,and Florida should also be considered backwards if that is your criteria.What about per capita and median incomes?What about unemployment?Has Alabama even elected a minority to a statewide office more than one or two times?Didn't Georgia avoid being boycotted by changing its state flag?(Something Alabama still has not done)
I agree that progressive stream has slowed with current leadership but i gotta give credit where credit is due.Sonny Perdue and Nathan Deal have been very actively attracting international business to Georgia and it has really panned out.Still not a fan but Nathan Deal has not been the nightmare I had expected.
I can't speak for Michigan and D.C., but I've got relatives in Florida and yes, it is unbelievably backwards. And Texas? Are you kidding me? Is that even a question? Is Texas as backwards as Alabama and Georgia? Nope, but Florida certainly is. And possibly worse. As far as I know it's not legal in Georgia And Alabama to kill people for "walking while black." And how many times do I have to say it, progressiveness has nothing to do with per capita income. And nowhere did I say Alabama was more progressive than Georgia. I said they were much the same. Didn't your previous governor pretty much ride the flag issue to the gold dome? How is that different from what is going on in Alabama? Don't you have entire counties trying to secede from one another at least partially on account of race? Or what do you think the Milton Movement is about? Do you not have an entire school system destroying itself due to racialism? I have neighbors in hysterics over all the "crime" Chick fil A will bring to Dunwoody. they don't want parks and green spaces because they will attract "crime." Do you need a magic decoder ring to de-code what they mean by "crime?" And that's in the metro. I shudder to think of the madness occurring out in the hinderlands.

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Old 07-06-2012, 07:33 AM
 
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When it comes to college football, however, Alabama (Auburn and Alabama) totally destroy Georgia.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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Didn't Georgia avoid being boycotted by changing its state flag?(Something Alabama still has not done)
What is wrong with Alabama's state flag?
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:58 AM
 
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In earlier days -- i.e., the 1960s-90s -- Georgia was able to carve out a spot as different from the the most backwards Deep South states like Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina. No offense to anyone who lived in those states but it was widely known that the Deep South was reactionary and that it had lagged mightily in the aftermath of the Civil War and the first half of the 20th century. Georgia, however, mainly via Atlanta, was able to establish itself as more forward thinking and mainstream.

That's what lead to our rise as a regional power. National corporations and federal agencies saw Atlanta as a place that was a cut above. We were able to get funding for a massive interstate system, and even a mass transit system -- an almost unthinkable idea for a Deep South town. We developed a major airport, big league sports arrived and we were on the map.

Unfortunately, you can only ride on past laurels so far. We haven't invested in Atlanta, and we haven't maintained a reputation for rising above the pack. In fact we've been going in reverse. We've lost as many jobs as we created in the 1990s. Since 2000 Atlanta added only 50,000 jobs for the decade. That's a far cry from the 1990s, when Atlanta added 70,000 jobs to 80,000 jobs per year.

So we can get to work and try to bring ourselves back to the front ranks. Or we can continue the downward spiral. It would be a serious error to think that our old rivals like Alabama, Tennessee and the Carolinas won't leave us in the dust.

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