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Old 07-06-2012, 11:07 AM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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As far as I know it's not legal in Georgia And Alabama to kill people for "walking while black." A
AL and GA have stand your ground statutes. NRA lobbied for the changes to match Florida's law.
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Old 07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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AL and GA have stand your ground statutes. NRA lobbied for the changes to match Florida's law.
Yeah, I know, but, their laws differ from Florida's in that there's a caveat that if you're the aggressor you're not protected. Florida's does not. When you have states routinely passing legislation like this and the immigration law there's no way to see them as anything but backwards. As I've said before, it seems that the Confederate states seem bound and determined to out-regressive one another. We have a legislator out of Marietta who written legislation to investigate miscarriages! Miscarriages! Apparently it has no chance of passing, but the fact that this man can even draft such legislation without fear that everybody in the chamber would ask, WTF? Is indicative of just how far Georgia has regressed.
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Old 07-06-2012, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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So Texas,Michigan,D.C.,and Florida should also be considered backwards if that is your criteria.What about per capita and median incomes?What about unemployment?Has Alabama even elected a minority to a statewide office more than one or two times?Didn't Georgia avoid being boycotted by changing its state flag?(Something Alabama still has not done)
Well... their flag is from 1891.

Our old flag was more problematic. We put the confederate battle flag on in 1956 and the legislature did it in a public dissent of the civil rights act and movement. This was the key reason our flag had to be changed. Alabama currently doesn't have that problem with their flag.
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Old 07-06-2012, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Yeah, I know, but, their laws differ from Florida's in that there's a caveat that if you're the aggressor you're not protected. Florida's does not. When you have states routinely passing legislation like this and the immigration law there's no way to see them as anything but backwards. As I've said before, it seems that the Confederate states seem bound and determined to out-regressive one another. We have a legislator out of Marietta who written legislation to investigate miscarriages! Miscarriages! Apparently it has no chance of passing, but the fact that this man can even draft such legislation without fear that everybody in the chamber would ask, WTF? Is indicative of just how far Georgia has regressed.
This is a big point....

Laws on stand your ground should be designed to give people to protect themselves, not to get mad and shoot anyways when you are no longer in danger.

There are several states that weaken the latter part giving the land-owner or victim more power to do as they please.
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Old 07-06-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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We have a legislator out of Marietta who written legislation to investigate miscarriages! Miscarriages! Apparently it has no chance of passing, but the fact that this man can even draft such legislation without fear that everybody in the chamber would ask, WTF? Is indicative of just how far Georgia has regressed.
On the July 31st ballot for Republicans, their is a "personhood" question on the ballot...
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Old 07-06-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Dunwoody)
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On the July 31st ballot for Republicans, their is a "personhood" question on the ballot...
Precisely. It doesn't matter what the per capita income of a state is, as someone who has had several miscarriages the thought of living in a state where I had to talk to law enforcement about it is horrific. This legislator should not only be forced out of office, he should be run out of town on a rail. This state is in a recession. Good paying manufacturing jobs are going elsewhere. The major financial engine of the state has an uncertain water source. The roads and highways are in gridlock and mass transit hasn't been upgraded since Buck was a calf. Yet, they waste the people's time and money on this type of foolywang. That's what I mean by regressive. Progressive states don't jump on every crazy train that omes along. They're working on legislation to improve the state nd people's lives, not criminalizing tragedies like miscarriage. And what is worse is that the people don't rise up and hold these asshats acvountable, so I have to assume they agree with it.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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On the July 31st ballot for Republicans, their is a "personhood" question on the ballot...
If that couldn't pass in Mississippi, it's not passing here.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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I can't speak for Michigan and D.C., but I've got relatives in Florida and yes, it is unbelievably backwards. And Texas? Are you kidding me? Is that even a question? Is Texas as backwards as Alabama and Georgia? Nope, but Florida certainly is. And possibly worse. As far as I know it's not legal in Georgia And Alabama to kill people for "walking while black." And how many times do I have to say it, progressiveness has nothing to do with per capita income. And nowhere did I say Alabama was more progressive than Georgia. I said they were much the same. Didn't your previous governor pretty much ride the flag issue to the gold dome? How is that different from what is going on in Alabama? Don't you have entire counties trying to secede from one another at least partially on account of race? Or what do you think the Milton Movement is about? Do you not have an entire school system destroying itself due to racialism? I have neighbors in hysterics over all the "crime" Chick fil A will bring to Dunwoody. they don't want parks and green spaces because they will attract "crime." Do you need a magic decoder ring to de-code what they mean by "crime?" And that's in the metro. I shudder to think of the madness occurring out in the hinderlands.
I know Georgia is not a bastion of progressiveness.GA IS a leader out of the Southern states though.But you said Atlanta is not either and I totally disagree.Living in Dunwoody is like living almost in Greenwich CT.Do you really think that all those country clubs and old money havens will let a black or a Jew inside their walls?
Oh im not naive at all I can tell that growing up South GA and Atlanta have had definate amounts of racism in "code" that I have seen.But I have lived also all over the U.S. and Europe.As I have said before,racism in code is much more of a problem in many Northern cities and even a racial so called paradise like Miami.

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friend from France had to go to Miami for a few months after leaving Atlanta.He was looking for his apartment and the landlord told him "North Miami beach is getting better because there are less black people".

I agree Texas and Florida even moreso are very backwards,but STILL many states are envious of they are.
But what about New York state with all it corrupt government in ALbany?
So only racial lines are what deems that state is backwards?

All I know is that in the last few years Georgia has elected 3blacks on its Supreme court and the Cheif justice till she recently retired was the first A.African American woman in the country to hold such position.
What about Thurburt Baker fmr Attorney General and labor Comm.Michael Thurmond?All STATEWIDE elected positions.Each of them were re-elected more than once.

A lot of this is more about class as it is racism.You should go to Chicago and visit some of those "llily white suburbs".See how they look at you if you are black there.
Why does NYC which has the most racist place in a big city I have ever been :Staten Island get a pass?Do you know that to this day there are neighborhoods where blacks wont go for fear of a Howard Beech type "beat-down"?Yet is NYC backwards?
I think people ignore what they want because it makes it easier to have just 2 choices:Good and Bad.The South will ALWAYS be in the bad no matter how many strides.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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Well... their flag is from 1891.

Our old flag was more problematic. We put the confederate battle flag on in 1956 and the legislature did it in a public dissent of the civil rights act and movement. This was the key reason our flag had to be changed. Alabama currently doesn't have that problem with their flag.
It may have been because they were flying the confederate flag AND the state flag over the State Capitol.But I do remember ther was an outcry and a boycott planned in the late 1990's.My details are fuzzy I admit.
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Old 07-06-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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What is wrong with Alabama's state flag?
Exactly. Alabama never had the confederate flag in their flag so there was never a reason to boycott. They did fly the confederate flag next to it at the state capital and people boycotted to have it taken down. The whole AL/GA comparison are completely stupid. Atlanta became a major city yet their racial scars run deep exist till this day for those who are smart enough to understand how racism/class play a major role in modern day society. Leave the Perimeter and to most outsiders you are in the country regardless.

Speaking from someone who travels all over weekly for business most of my clients or associates from other parts of the country would rather set themselves on fire than live in the Deep South. Those who have traveled here a lot even know that once you get OTP it can get culturally backwards quick.

Just a classic example of:
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