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Old 07-10-2012, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Implying that the poster was white and that blacks can't far good scores is not helping your case.
Thinking that you can't get a good education unless you go to a very wealthy, very white school is a white racist mindset no matter what color your skin is.

Do I need to go find the thread and post your replies from back then?
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:07 AM
 
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Thinking that you can't get a good education unless you go to a very wealthy, very white school is a white racist mindset no matter what color your skin is.

Do I need to go find the thread and post your replies from back then?
Sir, you are the one bringing race into the school issue. Not me as I was not aware nor cared about the schools demographics, but only test scores.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Well Georgia is in the boat now with Kia.

But the question was really posed in the context of big manufacturing outfits in general, not just automakers.
Yeah but aerospace manufacturers and all the major automakers that have passed Georgia up are by far the largest examples of what the OP was talking about. What other industry can in one fell swoop deliver 5,000+ jobs paying an average $82,000 the way BMW has done in Spartanburg South Carolina? And that's not even counting all the jobs provided by suppliers that have located to South Carolina to feed supplies to the plant.

During recessions when they layoff or close plants alot of people say things like "who needs automakers?" But when times are good they frequently expand and are incredibly powerful economic engines.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The story on the ground is that one of the bigwigs with Hyundai (which owns Kia) was on the way from Atlanta to the Hyundai plant in Montgomery when he saw the parcel along I 85 in West Point and decided it would be a good fit for the Kia factory. So, if Alabama did not already have the Hyundai plant, a good chance Georgia wouldn't have landed the Kia plant.

Without a doubt Hyundai's operations in Alabama were completely vital to Georgia landing the Kia plant. Kia had already determined that it was going to locate it's plant either in Alabama or in an adjacent State very close to their present operations in Alabama. This was because they wanted to keep the new plant close to the component suppliers they had already established in Alabama. In fact, probably the only reason they built in West Point rather than somewhere in Alabama was because Georgia threw in what at the time was the largest incentive plan ever given out by a state. Tennessee exceeded that amount later to lure Volkswagen to Chattanooga. Georgia didn't contest the offer because they figured the plant being on the Georgia border they would have suppliers in Georgia but Tennessee threw in a clause that initially atleast all jobs from the operation would go to Tennesseans.
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Old 07-10-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Atlanta tied for 3rd as the city with most Fortune 500 company headquarters The Urban and Suburban Fortune 500 - Jobs & Economy - The Atlantic Cities
So how is any other city in the Southeast competing with Atlanta?
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Atlanta tied for 3rd as the city with most Fortune 500 company headquarters The Urban and Suburban Fortune 500 - Jobs & Economy - The Atlantic Cities
So how is any other city in the Southeast competing with Atlanta?
So much is said for Fortune 500 companies but Seattle and Denver each have fewer of them than Atlanta but have more robust prosperous economies right now. Especially if you are into the high tech fields like engineering. But back to the Southeast: No other city in the Southeast I think competes with Atlanta (I'm not counting Texas as S.E. ) but Statewide if all these surrounding states keep pressing ahead with their industrial development at the pace they are they are going to take much of the wind out of Georgia and Atlanta's sails. Especially if Georgia continues resting on it's laurels and not accomplishing much in the what have you done lately category.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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You fail to understand what "progressive" means, and it has nothing to do with any of those things you mentioned. Progressive means forward thinking. Not mired in ridiculous racial politics. Not divided by tribalism and a "us vs. them" mentality. I haven't seen this level of racialism and xenophobia since I left Birmingham. That mindset has destroyed what was once the pre-eminent school system in the state. That's not progresdive, that's regressive and this area will reap the whirlwind of it occurring for generations to come.

As for the things you mentioned, Huntsville has two public universities and one private university, plus several community colleges in the metro area. Huntsville is quite diverse, with a large Asian and Hispanic population in addition to whites and blacks. Huntsville doesn't have an interstate running through it, and for that I'm grateful. It doesn't serm to stopped any of the high tech, high paying jobs from coming there. It does have natural beauty, lots of parks and recreation, easy access to larger cities (except Atlanta). And yes it is progressive and forward thinking in its politics. Something Atlanta used to be, but is not any longer.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. But the fact is, only 10% of white Alabamans voted for Barack Obama while 23% of white Georgians voted for him. Both figures are low but racial politics is definitely king in Alabama, more so than anywhere else. I'd also be willing to bet that Obama did much better with whites in Atlanta than he did in Huntsville. I saw a chart that showed about 40% of white residents in Fulton county voting for Obama.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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Why is government distrust so high in the south?


I never heard this growing up in Maryland. Distrust of the police, yes but the government overall, no...
Oh, most southerners loved the federal government before January 20, 2009...
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Oh, most southerners loved the federal government before January 20, 2009...
That's cause a cowboy was in office.
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Seattle and Denver each have fewer of them than Atlanta but have more robust prosperous economies right now
Those cities are creating a dense, transit-oriented metro area that appeals to the creative class. Metro Atlanta and the state would rather build sprawling, low density suburbs and have commuters drive 1 hour to their jobs.
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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That's cause a cowboy was in office.

Those cities are creating a dense, transit-oriented metro area that appeals to the creative class. Metro Atlanta and the state would rather build sprawling, low density suburbs and have commuters drive 1 hour to their jobs.
So you're saying Boeing was created in Seattle some 80 years ago and Bill Gates moved back to Seattle to start Micro Soft both because of the dense , transit oriented layout it has? Because both Boeing and Micro Soft are huge employers and economic players in Seattle and without them I believe Seattle's economy would be in dire straits. But, I don't think either one of them were created in Seattle simply because it's founders hated sprawling low density cities with poor transit. (If density and good transit were what Bill Gates valued most it would have made sense for him to remain in Boston when he left Harvard and start Micro Soft there.)

I do agree with you that Atlanta lacks a creative class when it comes to technology and finance. It relies far too much on out of State companies as opposed to homegrown. But, the solution to this problem is more complicated than stopping sprawl.


Furthermore. the biggest plums our neighbors have been landing Toyota, Honda, Mercedes, etc. with their focus on Greenfield development and everything have been avoiding high density areas like the plague. So you can't blame Atlantas sprawl on them not attracting those prospects.

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