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Old 07-11-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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It wouldn't be racist if the statistics actually show that correlation to be true, assuming your opinion is based purely on those statistics and not some other set of reasons.

Correlation is not causation, I realize, but sometimes patterns exist for legitimate reasons. It ain't because of genetics, usually, but because of economic/lifestyle trends within certain communities.
Caused by horrible policy decisions in the past. We need some historical context here.
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Caused by horrible policy decisions in the past. We need some historical context here.
Historical context where? Similar education patterns exist outside of the US as well. Do all of those places share this same generalize history you cite?
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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It wouldn't be racist if the statistics actually show that correlation to be true, assuming your opinion is based purely on those statistics and not some other set of reasons.

Correlation is not causation, I realize, but sometimes patterns exist for legitimate reasons. It ain't because of genetics, usually, but because of economic/lifestyle trends within certain communities.
My comment was totally in light of the banter with another poster, bringing up his views on another post involving Walton HS. Was using this to show him (or her) he was sort of contradicting himself in this post in light of that one. Of course he didn't see his stances as duplicitous.

Arguments on this site rarely sway anyone anyway. We just kind of blab our positions and the other just digs their heels in more firmly.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:04 PM
 
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Historical context where? Similar education patterns exist outside of the US as well. Do all of those places share this same generalize history you cite?
I'm pretty sure we were talking about the U.S., not other countries. When you mention "economic/lifestyle trends within certain communities," it's not exactly lost on some of us what you're getting at (and I'm not riding you for mentioning it). So when we talk about historical context as far as that phenomenon goes in the U.S., we definitely have to talk about the legacy of school desegregation and busing.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:49 PM
 
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Historical context where? Similar education patterns exist outside of the US as well. Do all of those places share this same generalize history you cite?
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I'm pretty sure we were talking about the U.S., not other countries. When you mention "economic/lifestyle trends within certain communities," it's not exactly lost on some of us what you're getting at (and I'm not riding you for mentioning it). So when we talk about historical context as far as that phenomenon goes in the U.S., we definitely have to talk about the legacy of school desegregation and busing.

The point is that black communities all around the world have huge issues outside the mainstream norm. So citing issues in the U.S. doesn't explain why only blacks have them.
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Old 07-11-2012, 07:51 PM
 
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My comment was totally in light of the banter with another poster, bringing up his views on another post involving Walton HS. Was using this to show him (or her) he was sort of contradicting himself in this post in light of that one. Of course he didn't see his stances as duplicitous.

Arguments on this site rarely sway anyone anyway. We just kind of blab our positions and the other just digs their heels in more firmly.
It is only contradicting and "duplicitous" if the premise is that I support going to a school because of race. As stated, I only care about test score.

Are YOU trying to imply something different? Make it clear please.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:03 PM
 
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The point is that black communities all around the world have huge issues outside the mainstream norm. So citing issues in the U.S. doesn't explain why only blacks have them.
The subject of the (sub)conversation was about public education in America (we're talking about Georgia and Alabama here, remember?), not an all-encompassing discussion about issues that plague the whole of the African diaspora which is SO far beyond the scope of this conversation. And each Black community has its own unique cultural contexts in which they are dealing with such situations. To assume that the specific reasons are the same because the melanin content is the same is significantly flawed to the nth degree--unless you're a classical racist.

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Old 07-11-2012, 08:09 PM
 
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The subject of the (sub)conversation was about public education in America (we're talking about Georgia and Alabama here, remember?), not an all-encompassing discussion about issues that plague the whole of the African diaspora which is SO far beyond the scope of this conversation. And each Black community has its own unique cultural contexts in which they are dealing with such situations. To assume that the reasons are the same because the melanin content is the same is significantly flawed to the nth degree.
Rcstiener was trying to figure out why. To him and many other whites it looks like there is always an excuse.
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Old 07-11-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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Rcstiener was trying to figure out why. To him and many other whites it looks like there is always an excuse.
He specifically mentioned cultural reasons. My point was that structural reasons precede cultural ones. Culture doesn't happen in a vacuum.
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Rcstiener was trying to figure out why. To him and many other whites it looks like there is always an excuse.
Not always, but I admit that it does sometimes look that way, at least to me.
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