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Old 07-04-2012, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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Looked it up and this is the difference. Chilton, Bibb and Walker Counties were added to Birmingham's MSA between 2000 and 2010.
And Butts, Dawson, Haralson, Heard, Jasper, Lamar, Meriwether, and Price counties were added to Atlanta's MSA in 2010 so that was part of its increase as well.

If you want to compare the old MSA's to the new "old" ones then you would have to take those counties out of the Atlanta MSA statistic of 28% growth.

I agree that any way you slice it, Atlanta grew much more, just seemed like the comparison you were doing wasn't really apples to apples since the CSA casts a wider net making the initial numbers look higher when the MSA growth was partially driven by county additions in both regions.

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Old 07-04-2012, 01:28 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Got all these numbers from one source, Wikipedia, to avoid any confusion. Looked up each county and got the 2000 and 2010 populations, the 2000 populations I list above are consistent. Here are the corresponding 2010 populations of the core MSA counties, not CSA. Cullman County is the only additional county for the CSA.

Bibb 22,915
Blount 57,322
Chilton 43,643
Jefferson 658,466
Shelby 195,085
St. Clair 83,593
Walker 67,023

Total: 1,128,047

A numerical gain of 75,809 over the adjusted 2000 MSA when the 2000 populations of Chilton, Bibb and Walker are added.

Add Cullman County for the CSA population

Cullman in 2000: 77,483; in 2010 80,406

2000 adjusted B'ham CSA: 1,129,721
2010 B'ham CSA: 1,208,403

A numerical increase for the adjusted CSA of 78,682, or a 7% gain for the CSA.

You must adjust the 2000 numbers by adding the 2000 populations of the three counties added. Since Cullman County is almost equivalent with the numerical growth of the MSA, that is why the CSA looked similar.
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
And Butts, Dawson, Haralson, Heard, Jasper, Lamar, Meriwether, and Price counties were added to Atlanta's MSA in 2010 so that was part of its increase as well.

If you want to compare the old MSA's to the new "old" ones then you would have to take those counties out of the Atlanta MSA statistic of 28% growth.

I agree that any way you slice it, Atlanta grew much more, just seemed like the comparison you were doing wasn't really apples to apples since the CSA casts a wider net making the initial numbers look higher when the MSA growth was partially driven by county additions in both regions.
Oh my, don't make me do what I just did with as many counties as the Atlanta MSA has, it was hard enough doing a 7 county MSA. Since the original source I looked at on my first post had the adjusted Birmingham's 2000 MSA with the new counties, will trust they did the same for Atlanta and that the 2000 numbers include Butts, Dawson, Heard, etc, etc.
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:35 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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You guys are making my head hurt LOL!
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
And Butts, Dawson, Haralson, Heard, Jasper, Lamar, Meriwether, and Price counties were added to Atlanta's MSA in 2010 so that was part of its increase as well.

If you want to compare the old MSA's to the new "old" ones then you would have to take those counties out of the Atlanta MSA statistic of 28% growth.

I agree that any way you slice it, Atlanta grew much more, just seemed like the comparison you were doing wasn't really apples to apples since the CSA casts a wider net making the initial numbers look higher when the MSA growth was partially driven by county additions in both regions.
Are you sure?

I wasn't aware they released the borders of the 2010 MSAs yet. and weren't those counties in the 2000 MSA? or am I mistaken?
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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Are you sure?

I wasn't aware they released the borders of the 2010 MSAs yet. and weren't those counties in the 2000 MSA? or am I mistaken?
These were used for the 2000 census:
http://www.census.gov/population/met...al/99mfips.txt

These were used for the 2010 census:
http://www.census.gov/population/met...2009/List1.txt

2000
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0520 Atlanta, GA MSA
0520 13013 2 Barrow County
0520 13015 2 Bartow County
0520 13045 2 Carroll County
0520 13057 2 Cherokee County
0520 13063 1 Clayton County
0520 13067 1 Cobb County
0520 13077 2 Coweta County
0520 13089 1 DeKalb County
0520 13097 1 Douglas County
0520 13113 2 Fayette County
0520 13117 2 Forsyth County
0520 13121 1 Fulton County
0520 13135 1 Gwinnett County
0520 13151 2 Henry County
0520 13217 2 Newton County
0520 13223 2 Paulding County
0520 13227 2 Pickens County
0520 13247 2 Rockdale County
0520 13255 2 Spalding County
0520 13297 2 Walton County
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12060 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA Metropolitan Statistical Area
12060 13013 Barrow County, GA
12060 13015 Bartow County, GA
12060 13035 Butts County, GA
12060 13045 Carroll County, GA
12060 13057 Cherokee County, GA
12060 13063 Clayton County, GA
12060 13067 Cobb County, GA
12060 13077 Coweta County, GA
12060 13085 Dawson County, GA
12060 13089 DeKalb County, GA
12060 13097 Douglas County, GA
12060 13113 Fayette County, GA
12060 13117 Forsyth County, GA
12060 13121 Fulton County, GA
12060 13135 Gwinnett County, GA
12060 13143 Haralson County, GA
12060 13149 Heard County, GA
12060 13151 Henry County, GA
12060 13159 Jasper County, GA
12060 13171 Lamar County, GA
12060 13199 Meriwether County, GA
12060 13217 Newton County, GA
12060 13223 Paulding County, GA
12060 13227 Pickens County, GA
12060 13231 Pike County, GA
12060 13247 Rockdale County, GA
12060 13255 Spalding County, GA
12060 13297 Walton County, GA
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Interesting to note that the core metro county for B'ham lost about 3500 people in the decade. Walker County lost about the same amount. The bulk of the growth was in Shelby county which gained around 52k of the 75k gain for the entire metro area. Or look at it this way: One county in B'ham metro area had significant growth in the decade.

Compare that to metro Atlanta. Gwinnett gained 217k (pardon me if I round to nearest 1000), Fulton 104k, Cobb 81k, Cherokee 74k, Forsyth 77k, Henry 84k, Paulding 61k, all more growth than Shelby. Couple that with the fact that Shelby is the size of two or three Georgia counties.

Ok, I think we all agree that Atlanta and Birmingham are miles apart. The odd thing is you don't have to go back too many decades and they were neck and neck.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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These were used for the 2000 census:
http://www.census.gov/population/met...al/99mfips.txt

These were used for the 2010 census:
http://www.census.gov/population/met...2009/List1.txt

2000


2010
I still find it highly amusing that my VERY rural home county of Meriwether is now considered part of the Atlanta MSA. I can see it attached to the LaGrange Micropolitan area and then part of the Atlanta CSA, but not the MSA.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:05 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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I still find it highly amusing that my VERY rural home county of Meriwether is now considered part of the Atlanta MSA. I can see it attached to the LaGrange Micropolitan area and then part of the Atlanta CSA, but not the MSA.
Well I agree with that, the ridiculous sprawl that is now considered Atlanta is why the TSPLOST is going to fail.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Originally Posted by atltechdude View Post
These were used for the 2000 census:
http://www.census.gov/population/met...al/99mfips.txt

These were used for the 2010 census:
http://www.census.gov/population/met...2009/List1.txt

2000


2010
Those are for 99 and 09... based on estimates.

The census always reevaluates the MSA boundaries a couple years after the census (so they can analyze the full data)

Here is the 2003 map for Georgia http://www2.census.gov/geo/maps/metr...sa2003c_GA.pdf

They added those counties a couple years after the 2000 census.

I've been waiting for the post 2010 revision (the first revision using data from the census)
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