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Old 07-03-2012, 05:09 PM
 
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Let's not forget that reputation is incredibly powerful.

Atlanta became a leader because it was perceived as being a cut above. We had the junction of three interstates and a perimeter highway. We built a massive airport. We had the only subway system in the south and the only big league sports teams. Our schools were first class, we had premier universities and we were the home of cable TV and CNN. Can you imagine any other city in our region hosting the Olympics?

We were perceived as a forward thinking, can-do kind of place.

Is that how people see us now?

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Old 07-04-2012, 06:23 AM
 
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Let's not forget that reputation is incredibly powerful.

Atlanta became a leader because it was perceived as being a cut above. We had the junction of three interstates and a perimeter highway. We built a massive airport. We had the only subway system in the south and the only big league sports teams. Our schools were first class, we had premier universities and we were the home of cable TV and CNN. Can you imagine any other city in our region hosting the Olympics?

We were perceived as a forward thinking, can-do kind of place.

Is that how people see us now?

I'm sorry, but when were Atlanta's schools ever considered "first class"???? Even today, when there are some very good schools in the area, the country generally sees our schools as still being terrible.
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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More generalizations and cheerleading. The following are not substantiated facts, but rather editorial comment and scare tactics:

- We put ourselves on I-285 at rush hour and expect to travel faster than 10 mph.
- Thousands of workers are stranded on Atlanta’s highways trying to get to and from work. They each waste an estimated 40 hours a year sitting unproductively in traffic, burning fuel.
- Metro Atlanta has one of the worst traffic problems in the United States
- Business leaders, who in the 80’s and 90’s routinely picked Atlanta for their corporate offices, are choosing other cities where their workers can be more productive at their desks than in their cars.


What companies are "choosing other cities" and which cities are they choosing? What companies have recently bypassed Atlanta citing traffic concerns?

What statistics and reports are being used to claim that Atlanta has "one of the worst traffic problems in the United States?" Inrix and other recent reports have shown that Atlanta is not even in the top 10 of the worst cities for traffic, despite being in the top 10 for MSA's.

This is more generalization and anecdote.

Many companies have cited traffic as a reason not locate here. It's no secret.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Traffic is a huge concern, for many people it is the top concern.

Too bad TSPLOST does not do anything meaningful to reduce it.

Is something better than nothing? Well, usually, but not when the something is over $6 billion. Then it damn well better be something that is going to at least make a dent, not a hairline fracture.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:31 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but when were Atlanta's schools ever considered "first class"???? Even today, when there are some very good schools in the area, the country generally sees our schools as still being terrible.
Gwinnett won the Broad Prize just a couple of years ago. Fulton and Cobb schools routinely get great ratings. DeKalb used to be a nationally recognized system, and before that city of Atlanta schools were known for excellence.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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I'm sorry, but when were Atlanta's schools ever considered "first class"???? Even today, when there are some very good schools in the area, the country generally sees our schools as still being terrible.
The comparison of schools is generally done on a state versus state basis, and that really isn't fair to those schools in a so-called "bad" state which are actually doing a good job.

I'm also not convinced that school-wide average test scores are a good indicator of school or teacher quality, since many of the variables involved (e.g., the quality of the student population, or the quality of the support students receive at home) is really outside of the district's control.
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Old 07-05-2012, 12:30 AM
 
Location: ITP
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Traffic is a huge concern, for many people it is the top concern.

Too bad TSPLOST does not do anything meaningful to reduce it.

Is something better than nothing? Well, usually, but not when the something is over $6 billion. Then it damn well better be something that is going to at least make a dent, not a hairline fracture.
If you consider a projected 24% decrease in average travel delays as not being a big deal, then what do you propose? The project list was developed in a very transparent process with a lot of public input. The $6 billion price tag is a drop in the bucket when you consider the fact that the region has nearly $120 billion in identified unfunded transportation needs. However it also has a huge economic benefit in the jobs that it will protect and generate.

Atlanta is what it is because of it's infrastructure that positions it as the commercial hub and economic engine of the southeast. To vote against the sales tax is to vote against the region's future. Yes...it's that serious.
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Old 07-05-2012, 01:53 AM
 
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All the traffic improvements in the world aint gunna make a difference when people are willing to live an hour from downrown and work and still consider themselves "atlantans". Forget traffic people, focus on downtown and bringing in young educated people and make it more vibrant. Stop going to lenox mall for fireworks and go downtown! Dont like homeless? Push em out!

Stop all this sensativity with race and territory. Maybe colin powell should be the next mayor! Someone with some sense needs to get rid of all the BS
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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Forget traffic people, focus on downtown and bringing in young educated people and make it more vibrant. Stop going to lenox mall for fireworks and go downtown!
Why all the focus on downtown? Atlanta has seen its greatest success In the decades after downtown ceased being the central business district. It's still a cool place in many ways but why is it more critical than any other part of Atlanta?
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Too bad TSPLOST does not do anything meaningful to reduce it.
So the reconstruction of of GA400/285, 285/20, and 85/285 isn't going to reduce traffic. Those are some of the biggest bottlenecks in the metro. It will also show suburbanites that LRT can work in metro Atlanta, by building the BeltLine and giving people that "last mile" connection to destinations. It will create the foundation of extending the Red Line to North Fulton, creating a transit line up the 85 corridor, build transit up I-75 to Cumberland and beyond. It will extend the Blue Line down I-20 and build BRT, with future upgrade to LRT, on I-20 from 285 to downtown. Oh and the biggest, it will build the Clifton Corridor into DeKalb County's largest employment center, giving relief to a highly congested area with thousands of high-pay jobs and no room for road expansions. So where in the TIA list did you see no traffic relief?
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