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Old 03-12-2014, 09:37 PM
 
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It will be an awesome line, I was shock at how beautiful all the new construction on Park Avenue West near the centennial park looked. Then to see the backdrop of the Skyline and the Coca -Cola building, while driving through there. Atlanta is just flat out beautiful. The street car will be such a welcome addition for the tourist and college kids. I look forward to riding it outside the 191 building by the Ritz to the Auburn market for lunch.
What makes you think this is of any value to the college kids? The college is in the middle of the line meaning that it extends about .5 miles either direction. Given the planned headways and the 7 mph avg speed, there is almost no scenario when riding the streetcar provides any benefit to GSU.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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What makes you think this is of any value to the college kids? The college is in the middle of the line meaning that it extends about .5 miles either direction. Given the planned headways and the 7 mph avg speed, there is almost no scenario when riding the streetcar provides any benefit to GSU.
You seem to be assuming that they are only going to build 2 out of the 60+ miles of light rail network planned to be built over the next couple decades.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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You're also not considering that not everyone is a marathon runner. Having played with the distances on Google Maps, for the average walker, it will provide substantial benefit.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:03 PM
 
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What makes you think this is of any value to the college kids?
Short answer: Young people love streetcars. They will ride them anywhere, anytime, regardless of whether they need to get to any particular destination. That's why they are so critical for downtown and other places millennials hang out.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:08 PM
 
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You're also not considering that not everyone is a marathon runner. Having played with the distances on Google Maps, for the average walker, it will provide substantial benefit.
Do the math.

It takes an average person about 10 minutes to walk .5 miles in a city environment (stopping at crosswalks, traffic, etc). So you can get from the middle of the line to end of the line in about 10-12 minutes.

At 6-7 mph, that same distance takes about 5 minutes.

The streetcar is scheduled to arrive at 15 minute intervals.

So... in the best scenario with no wait time, one would save about 5-7 minutes. At the average wait time of 7.5 minutes, you lose time.

This is why it is not of initial benefit of students at GSU.

If the line does get extended, it might provide some benefit, but as constructed, it is damn near useless. Also, any expansion plans are just doodles on a map at this point since there is NO funding lined up for any expansion in the near term.

Also, last I checked, .5 miles at a leisurely pace isn't exactly a marathon.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:09 PM
 
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Short answer: Young people love streetcars. They will ride them anywhere, anytime, regardless of whether they need to get to any particular destination. That's why they are so critical for downtown and other places millennials hang out.
So they are going to ride the streetcar even if it doesn't take them where they want to go? I don't think very highly of most millenials, but with that assumption, you must think they are complete idiots.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:30 PM
 
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If it is a streetcar you can count on them loving it.
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Old 03-13-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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I don't really see the benefit for GSU students going to classes either lol.
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Atlanta - Midtown
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This is a starter line that will become part of a much bigger network. Even if the funding isn't in place yet, it doesn't mean that it won't be soon. These things take time. Let's give it a chance to succeed.

I probably won't save a whole lot of time taking this thing to the curb market from Fairlie-Poplar, but if I'm coming back arms full of groceries, I would prefer the streetcar than a 10-15 min walk. Convenience doesn't just come in the form of time (although time is very crucial).
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Do the math.

It takes an average person about 10 minutes to walk .5 miles in a city environment (stopping at crosswalks, traffic, etc). So you can get from the middle of the line to end of the line in about 10-12 minutes.

At 6-7 mph, that same distance takes about 5 minutes.

The streetcar is scheduled to arrive at 15 minute intervals.

So... in the best scenario with no wait time, one would save about 5-7 minutes. At the average wait time of 7.5 minutes, you lose time.

This is why it is not of initial benefit of students at GSU.

If the line does get extended, it might provide some benefit, but as constructed, it is damn near useless. Also, any expansion plans are just doodles on a map at this point since there is NO funding lined up for any expansion in the near term.

Also, last I checked, .5 miles at a leisurely pace isn't exactly a marathon.
Your focusing too much on numbers. Those are averages, the speed will be faster and slower depending on traffic.
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