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Old 09-27-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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Check it out in detail here. You'd be surprised how many employees are being paid $10,000 - $20,000 a month.

University professors often make a lot more than that.

A school nurse working for APS makes between $75-100,000 a year.

And they get great benefits, pensions, time off, job security, etc.

Open.Georgia.gov
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: midtown mile area, Atlanta GA
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Has anyone worked for the state? I thought there was a hiring freeze? It seems you have to know someone to get in. I've been trying to a federal job for over 2 years, and no interviews, just the thanks, but no thanks.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Funny that you mentioned something about the University System Professors being paid a lot of money. In another thread, I actually mentioned this same issue; granted that it was on another subject, of course.

Georgia Tech Robberies

But when I pointed it out back then, a certain person went nuclear on me. Now, in this thread, the same individual goes apecrap when I spoke about the state employees who aren't exactly drinking chardonnay by the Louvre.

I won't mention the name because unfortunately, the mods like to punish some people for mentioning names, but will let others who do the exact same thing post without restraint.

Oh well.


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Check it out in detail here. You'd be surprised how many employees are being paid $10,000 - $20,000 a month.

University professors often make a lot more than that.

A school nurse working for APS makes between $75-100,000 a year.

And they get great benefits, pensions, time off, job security, etc.

Open.Georgia.gov

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Old 09-27-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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Getting a fair wage is not waste.

The "private sector" hasn't exactly been the model for fair pay lately. They ship jobs to foreign countries and pay as little as they can. Benefits? Yeah.... right.... .
Work harder, complain less. Or you'll be in the unemployment line.
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So are you saying this article is comparing goverment wages with wages oversees? Did I miss that?

BTW - if somebody hires you for a certain amount and you agree to do the job for that amount THAT is what you are worth.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:41 PM
 
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HA HA HA HA
Yeah. For THEMSELVES.

Oh my god. I have never laughed so hard on this forum.
If financial derivitives aint money for nothing and generating wealth out of thin air then nothing is.
Doesn't matter where the money goes. It generates wealth, regardless of the ethical implications, therefore it has value. Not a hard concept... well... maybe that is hard for you to comprehend.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:46 PM
 
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BTW - if somebody hires you for a certain amount and you agree to do the job for that amount THAT is what you are worth.
In the open, free market that is the case. However unions and governmental bureaucratic hiring rules disrupt this. The MARTA example just recently is a great example. MARTA hiring people at $28 an hour to do janitorial work when it could be outsourced for $13 an hour shows this disconnect perfectly. Is the janitorial workers' worth $28 or $13? It is $13 with a $15 surplus of governmental waste.

***The numbers I used might be a bit off, but I seem to recall a $13-15 an hour difference from the KPMG report.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Unless of course you live in a country that that has little to no enforcement of worker's rights or even human rights, and that even children are forced at gunpoint to put out products without so much as even a lunch break. The uninhibited free market; what a blessing.

Sometimes, responding to this insanity is just way too easy.

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So are you saying this article is comparing goverment wages with wages oversees? Did I miss that?

BTW - if somebody hires you for a certain amount and you agree to do the job for that amount THAT is what you are worth.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home...CHICAGO
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Ok, as a former State of Georgia employee, this article is total BS!!!

It claims state employees earn on average $13 an hour more than private sector employees but it doesn't seem to state which positions or professions. He MUST be talking about agency administrators because state employee salaries are extremely low. And benefits? Yeah we got benefits--that we had to pay for ourselves and they weren't cheap. I was paying $300 a month for mine.

I worked for the state for eight years and I never saw $30k a year. I worked in a legal capacity and in my department lawyers right out of law school made $35k. The most experienced ones didn't even make $60k. Experienced attorneys in my former agency earn less than half of what an associate at a big firm would make. At one point we were in need of a director for our department and we posted the job all over the country. To be a legal director for my department, the pay was $80k. We had a hard time filling the position because no one with the experience necessary to do the job was willing to accept $80k a year. Again, even a legal director in my department made less than a law firm associate.

Many of our attorneys ended up leaving for the private sector or the feds so they could make more money. They'd come there for the experience then bounce!

One of my girlfriends has worked for the state for six years and was promoted to director of project management last year in her agency. A couple of months ago she was offered a project manager job with CHOA. CHOA offered to pay her $15k a year more to work in a non-supervisory position than what she is being paid as a director for the state. Another friend of mine relocated here from Utah and applied to work for the GA Dept. of Labor in their marketing department. She told me when she was offered the position, she said the lady who interviewed her told her they were so excited to have her on board and that they were going to start her at more than normal for that position. My friend said the way the lady talked about her starting salary, she was expecting to hear a really big number. You know how much they offered her? $24k a year. She said she took the job because she needed something.

She also worked for the state for ten years and never reached the $30k a year mark either. She started selling Avon on the side to make extra money. She ended up leaving the state because she made more money selling Avon. She was eventually promoted to district manager for Avon.

I want to know where this person is getting his information. The Georgia Department of Audits lists how much money people working for the state earn on there.

I left the state to go work for DeKalb County because they paid more.

I can tell you guys for absolute certainty that state workers are not paid well at all. This article is a joke!!!

He must be confusing the state with the feds. Federal employees make great money.

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Old 09-27-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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I want to know where this person is getting his information. The department of audits list how much money people working for the state on there.
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You can find state employee salary info here: Open.Georgia.gov

Most states have a similar site these days. If not hosted by the government, usually a newspaper in the largest city.
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:25 PM
 
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Some notes:

Fair wage isn't waste, but when the government workers make a significant amount more than their civilian counterparts, there is a serious disconnect from the free market. These workers are overpaid, have little incentive to increase efficiencies and have close to unlimited job security. "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life."

People on Wall Street generate wealth. They don't make that money for nothing. They provide a service that is highly valued. If that MARTA bus driver or DMV worker was generating millions of dollars of profits, they should be making Wall Street money too. However, they don't and their labor is unskilled and highly replaceable. These factors, in a free market, should lead to no pay difference between the two. The state would be better off that way.
Way to ignore the bail-outs on wall street keeping these folk rich.
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