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Old 10-04-2012, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Bronx,NY
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Creating a Lovejoy Line would just give them more ammunition to say "we tried it and nobody rode it."

In order to make rail work, it has to be a line that is needed and wanted, not just by people who support rail on principle, but people who will actually use it. The lines that make the most sense are up to Marietta or to Duluth.

Speaking of existing rail, I looked at that Norfolk Southern line that more or less follows Buford Highway. I don't see why so many studies are needed, to my untrained eye it looks like mass transit rail lines could relatively easily be put down adjacent to that line just like it is intown on the gold line. There's plenty of room for more track on most parcels of land, and where there isn't, the track could be elevated. I don't see why this would cost billions of dollars to do, seems like a no-brainer to me.
I agree with you here. But it seems gdot wont at least give us the chance to see how atlantans respond to rail..I dont really see why it wouldnt be utilized since the Express buses are so Popular...As far as those "studies" go..just a mask gdot hides behind to say "were doing something regarding Rail"...in reality they aint doin Shyt but wastin money to get the same exact answers theye gotten for years an years...Its Pure Lack of willingness to Try something other than Constant Road expansion...
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Old 10-04-2012, 01:25 AM
 
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Its Pure Lack of willingness to Try something other than Constant Road expansion...
I agree, but it makes even less sense since they aren't expanding roads in any kind of meaninful way.

Maybe no matter how you cut it they are just completely awful.
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Old 10-04-2012, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Purposefully enacting legislation to make something that is economically efficient become inefficient solely to try to encourage something that is economically inefficient become efficient is pure stupidity.
I am pro transit and it seems a bit socialist to me.
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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There are hundreds of studies that prove adding more lanes to roads is a short-term solution. Commuters will change their driving patterns to take advantage of the new lanes. The $1 billion for the 75/575 HOT lanes would go a lot farther to implement commuter rail from Atlanta to Marietta and Buford, 2 of the most congested corridors. Not everyone will be commuting downtown so we have transfer points at outlying MARTA stations, eg: Doraville to allow commuters to transfer to MARTA and/or express buses to run on the Top-end Perimeter. 75 and 85 are already some of the widest freeways in America, there is just no more ROW and we do not want to repeat the same problems of urban renewal in the 50's and 60's of leveling neighborhoods just to run new freeways along. With gas prices getting more volatile, the price of owning, maintenaning, and using a car will not keep up with personal income levels. Let's start building a region wide commuter rail system to give people options in commuting. Not everyone will choose to use commuter rail, but those that do not use it will still benefit from less congestion by those that do chose to use the commuter rail system. It will be a huge capital investment at first, but so was the Transcontinental Railroad, Interstate System, and Hartsfield-Jackson. All of those paid off in the long run.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Creating a Lovejoy Line would just give them more ammunition to say "we tried it and nobody rode it."
That's always been my fear, and I am certain it will happen. I understand that it is the easiest one to start, but it will be seriously underutilized.

But I guess they can route any future CTRAN bus routes to use it to increase the ridership. But surely that won't help promote the false notion that commuter rail is just another expansion of MARTA...

The Lovejoy line will be a disaster for commuter rail expansion.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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But surely that won't help promote the false notion that commuter rail is just another expansion of MARTA...
Commuter Rail is ran by GDOT, not MARTA. MARTA can not operate outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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I am pro transit and it seems a bit socialist to me.
Any type of public road/train/etc is socialism.

According to the FL DOT, it costs ~$2.4M per mile to build a new 2 lane road. Unless you pay that much in taxes for every mile of road you drive on, you've benefitted from someone else's contributions.

ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/LTS/CO/Est...PM/summary.pdf

Yes, transit ticket prices rarely pays the full fare for the cost of the service but gas taxes/ad valorem/etc don't come close to covering the costs of car travel. Most of our federal funding comes from federal gov't (which comes largely from fuel taxes but has other sources as well).

The only non-redistributive road would be one built purely by private corporations stringing across private property. More than likely it wouldn't be very cheap to drive on.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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Commuter Rail is ran by GDOT, not MARTA. MARTA can not operate outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties.
Thank God they can't.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Commuter Rail is ran by GDOT, not MARTA. MARTA can not operate outside of Fulton and DeKalb counties.
I'm referring to perception. You have to admit that any form of public transport is a tough sell in the metro. Any excuse for one not to like transit will be exploited.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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How can you not make money on a toll road, or any road for that matter?

Especially one that's already been built?

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