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Old 10-09-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Johns Creek area
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...then after eons - it shrinks back to a pin point of nothing- then bangs again- a vibration of sorts...a thought wave...the thought wave of God. Something so timeless that it can not be measured with time...The universe has expanded and collapsed a trillion times...eternity...is not a long time- it is no time.
We have absolutely no way of knowing this - doesn't mean it hasn't, but it would be all speculation. And, the expansion of the universe is increasing in speed indicating that there is no cycle. So, it would appear that the time, or life span, of the universe is measurable and infinite. Sorry - I get a bit pointy headed over these things sometimes!

 
Old 10-09-2012, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Maybe this guy Jesus did not hate. Maybe he does love all. But many of those that have continued his preachings have used his words to hate; to further their beliefs not his. If you don't see the hate in religion you need to open you eyes.
Not all religions are created equal, and the line between "religion" and "philosophy" is somewhat fuzzy. Have there been many wars started in the name of Buddhism, for example?

(There may have been, I don't know)
 
Old 10-09-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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There are plenty of educated people who do not believe in evolution. It does not make you ignorant as some have said. It actually makes them ignorant for thinking only what they believe is correct.
My issue with Rep. Broun has nothing to do with his belief in creationism. What I have an issue with is his statement that the Big Bang Theory, evolution, and other things are somehow part of an agenda to discredit his religion.

Most of the scientists I've known over the years were far more interested in learning than they were about discrediting any given religion. The goal was to figure out how things work and why, not to trample on the belief systems of others.

Some of the scientists I've known were (and are) Christian. As I said, science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive for many.

Beliefs I can respect. Conspiracy theories are something else again.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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Broun is an embarrassment to my state, and a detriment to conservative values nationwide. It is exactly this sort of backwards and ignorant thinking that alienates many, many people from the Republican party, and from a theistic or religious viewpoint. I am ashamed of him.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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It is exactly this sort of backwards and ignorant thinking that alienates many, many people from the Republican party, and from a theistic or religious viewpoint.
True. Why can't the Republican party simply stand for fiscal conservatism, and otherwise stay out of everyone's personal lives? Their failure to do that has run many people off.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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my issue with rep. Broun has nothing to do with his belief in creationism. What i have an issue with is his statement that the big bang theory, evolution, and other things are somehow part of an agenda to discredit his religion.

Most of the scientists i've known over the years were far more interested in learning than they were about discrediting any given religion. The goal was to figure out how things work and why, not to trample on the belief systems of others.

Some of the scientists i've known were (and are) christian. As i said, science and christianity are not mutually exclusive for many.

Beliefs i can respect. Conspiracy theories are something else again.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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Not all religions are created equal, and the line between "religion" and "philosophy" is somewhat fuzzy. Have there been many wars started in the name of Buddhism, for example?

(There may have been, I don't know)

I cannot recall one which started in the name of Buddhism. But ended in the name of Buddhism...Sri Lankan Civil War. Yes the divisions were planted by the British and the Hindu's started the rebellion, but the genocide that ended the conflict was totally unacceptable. It is a good thing thing that the Tamil Tigers were defeated and the country can try and move on after more that 30 years of fighting. There was also Emperor Ashoka, but he converted to Buddhism after the Battle of Kalinga. I agree with you, I can not think of a religious war started by Buddhists.

I originally had a video showing the torture of a Tamil by the Sri Lankan military, but I am not sure if that breaks the rules. Anyway, there are plenty of videos on the internet about Tamil massacres or Tamil genocide.

A very general observation, but the more prosthelytizing a religion is the more violence follows it.

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Old 10-09-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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The goal was to figure out how things work and why, not to trample on the belief systems of others.
Seems to me that if there is some observation that we can make about our universe that contradicts information in a book written by men who had no idea of their place in reality ought to call the information in the book into question, not the contemporary observation. People who can deny what they can see with their own two eyes just amaze me.
 
Old 10-09-2012, 11:23 PM
 
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Seems to me that if there is some observation that we can make about our universe that contradicts information in a book written by men who had no idea of their place in reality ought to call the information in the book into question, not the contemporary observation. People who can deny what they can see with their own two eyes just amaze me.
As I've shown, it really is a leap of faith to believe in evolution and the Big Bang, considering that the ignore the laws of science.

By the way, what do you say to the afterlife, something also spoken of in the Bible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUjEbqSkIjI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0vbu1_ByqU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGQDkCi-OIY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59mRZ1Vj8ZU

Dr. Eben Alexander Describes Near-Death Ascent to Heaven | Video | TheBlaze.com
 
Old 10-09-2012, 11:32 PM
 
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Things like this make me wonder why I continue to live in Georgia. What boggles the mind the most is this:



This is a blatant violation of the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution, specifically the prohibition against the preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another. A person who makes the claim above should be immediately disqualified from holding public office, where he effectively represents people of all faiths. He does NOT represent me.
You mis-applied the meaning of the establishment clause. It's to prevent a state church. This isn't a state church, but rather a citizen exercising his free exercise of religion.

If what you claim were true, we wouldn't have people swearing on the Bible, congressional prayer, "In God We Trust" on our money, The Ten Commandments in various courtrooms, or the invoking of the Creator in our documents.
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