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Old 10-06-2012, 08:11 AM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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It doesn't look like this will impact us much.

First of all, there aren't any Amazon locations in GA, so they won't be required to charge tax to us. (Yay!)

Most of the stuff you buy online, there's plenty of out of state competitors to buy from and get around having to pay the tax and as long as they're out of state, there's no tax.

Okay?


Everyone feel better?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Sales taxes are regressive and unfair and should be abolished nationwide.
If this was a communist economy and pay levels were regulated and more or less equal, I'd be cool with sales tax. But as we know it's most definitely not a level playing field.

The second point I'd like to make is that this is yet another law that was bought and paid for by corporations. When are we going to stand up and say "Corporations you are not people. Stop influencing our elections and stop buying up our elected representatives so you can get the laws you want!"
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:56 AM
 
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I'm just surprise at how the legislative conservative bubbas are all "low taxes!" "Taxes are Satan!" and "taxes is the devil's playground!" And yet, they somehow are able to sneak in this tax increase without so much as a squeak from the Tea Party.

You would think that the internet would held up as the shining example of a free-market paradise where ideas, commerce, and activity flow freely without hinderance from big government, big unionism, or monster mega-corporations.

It just goes to show how much of charade this whole "less government" mantra is from some folks. People don't mind big government and taxes; as long as it works only for them and not for others.
Don't think of it from a taxation perspective. Think of it from the perspective of more control and regulation of the internet. With that framing, it's easier to see how it fits into the contemporary conservative mental framework.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: 30080
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Still wont stop me from shopping online since their prices are still cheaper.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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That's even worse.

Conservatives yell "regulation is the death of commerce!" and "no more big government!" and yet they are comfortable with government control as long as it is they who are doing the controlling.

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Don't think of it from a taxation perspective. Think of it from the perspective of more control and regulation of the internet. With that framing, it's easier to see how it fits into the contemporary conservative mental framework.
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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The original reason there was no sales tax was to promote commerece over the internet. Not because it is difficult to police.
My understanding was that there was no sales tax on internet purchases if the company you were purchasing from didn't have a nexus in the state, nexus being defined as either a physical location, company employees, other types of assets, or sales people.

An out of state company would not have an in-state tax ID unless they had one of those four conditions. State law (at least in Georgia) was that the individual was supposed to submit the use tax annually, although I don't know anyone who actually did that, as oppose to the seller collecting it and resubmitting it.
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Old 10-06-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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It doesn't look like this will impact us much.

First of all, there aren't any Amazon locations in GA, so they won't be required to charge tax to us. (Yay!)

Most of the stuff you buy online, there's plenty of out of state competitors to buy from and get around having to pay the tax and as long as they're out of state, there's no tax.
Actually, Amazon does have a presence in Georgia. They own Fabric.com in Kennesaw. Anyway, this new law took away the nexus requirement, from what I understood. I agree, I don't know how they will enforce it for the smaller retailers. I also don't know why the tax is set at 8% which is different from the local sales tax conventions. As I used to work for an industrial distributor with a large internet presence, you don't want to mess with the sales tax laws, especially if you have a presence in the state as the tax auditors can make your life miserable or shut you down.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Smryna
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I'm just surprise at how the legislative conservative bubbas are all "low taxes!" "Taxes are Satan!" and "taxes is the devil's playground!" And yet, they somehow are able to sneak in this tax increase without so much as a squeak from the Tea Party.

You would think that the internet would held up as the shining example of a free-market paradise where ideas, commerce, and activity flow freely without hinderance from big government, big unionism, or monster mega-corporations.

It just goes to show how much of charade this whole "less government" mantra is from some folks. People don't mind big government and taxes; as long as it works only for them and not for others.
Exactly, just as these same people are totally against any kind of social programs that provide funding for citizens to ensure the survival of our populace, but when their corporate friends -er- constituents get turned away by the banksters, they are quick to handout corporate welfare and tax credits. Amazing aren't these people?
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Smryna
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That's even worse.

Conservatives yell "regulation is the death of commerce!" and "no more big government!" and yet they are comfortable with government control as long as it is they who are doing the controlling.
ahh...but that's the crux of their mentality. "I've got mine...*********"
like a bunch of 5 year old bullies kicking others out of the sandbox, they want it all for themselves. But when it comes time for them to step out and let someone else play, it's war.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Smryna
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It doesn't look like this will impact us much.

First of all, there aren't any Amazon locations in GA, so they won't be required to charge tax to us. (Yay!)

Most of the stuff you buy online, there's plenty of out of state competitors to buy from and get around having to pay the tax and as long as they're out of state, there's no tax.

Okay?


Everyone feel better?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Sales taxes are regressive and unfair and should be abolished nationwide.
If this was a communist economy and pay levels were regulated and more or less equal, I'd be cool with sales tax. But as we know it's most definitely not a level playing field.

The second point I'd like to make is that this is yet another law that was bought and paid for by corporations. When are we going to stand up and say "Corporations you are not people. Stop influencing our elections and stop buying up our elected representatives so you can get the laws you want!"

So if we abolish sales tax altogether, how do you propose your county (your community!) make up with the budget shortfall? Don't get me wrong, the concept of a STATE charging sales tax to customers and businesses outside the state is absurd, but LOCAL county taxes are what make up the other half of the county general fund which provide you with a police, fire and emergency services, DOT, etc. Without that revenue, these governments could not function.

or your property taxes would triple. Which do you want?
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:10 PM
 
Location: ๏̯͡๏﴿ Gwinnett-That's a Civil Matter-County
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Actually, Amazon does have a presence in Georgia. They own Fabric.com in Kennesaw. Anyway, this new law took away the nexus requirement, from what I understood.

Darn. I am under the understanding there still is a nexus requirement. At least that's what they said on the news. I stand corrected if it has but I sure hope it hasn't.

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So if we abolish sales tax altogether, how do you propose your county (your community!) make up with the budget shortfall? Don't get me wrong, the concept of a STATE charging sales tax to customers and businesses outside the state is absurd, but LOCAL county taxes are what make up the other half of the county general fund which provide you with a police, fire and emergency services, DOT, etc. Without that revenue, these governments could not function.

or your property taxes would triple. Which do you want?
I know you're new here so you don't know how much I've carried on about this subject.
I think sales tax and residential property tax should be done away with so the revenue instead comes from sources based on their ability to pay. This means increases to .... progressive income tax! Uh oh!!! Socialism Gasp

5 states without sales tax.
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