Atlanta Metro's road widening and refusal to focus on transit loudly kill a great local venue. (Douglasville: 2014, lease)

[Onthemove2014]

The 7 Venue is a Christian based all aged music venue that has been around since about 2005. It does wonderful thing for local acts and it hosts many big national touring acts. It's also a clean safe place for youths to hang out. This really is an important venue to the Atlanta metro music scene. Sadly, the state wants to tear it down for a new Fairburn road. This will happen in about 90 days.

The thing is the state won't give them all the money the sunk into it to make it a small- to mid sized concert venue. This event has an e-mail address and instructions on how to help the lawyer get the venue the money it needs to relocate.


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[cwkimbro]

so... we are complaining about a mostly youth group oriented small stage that moved into an old, struggling strip mall in Douglassville?

No offense intended, nor am I arguing I don't support its purpose, but "an important venue to the Atlanta metro music scene"....

I think we are playing it up a bit much now.

There are alot of reasons why many businesses choose not to sink money into an aging strip mall, unless the whole strip is brought up to par.

Governments pay market value, not necessarily what a non-profit or business chose to pay into it.

Also, did they rent or buy the strip mall?

[Onthemove2014]

Originally Posted by cwkimbro

so... we are complaining about a mostly youth group oriented small stage that moved into an old, struggling strip mall in Douglassville?

No offense intended, nor am I arguing I don't support its purpose, but "an important venue to the Atlanta metro music scene"....

I think we are playing it up a bit much now.

There are alot of reasons why many businesses choose not to sink money into an aging strip mall, unless the whole strip is brought up to par.

Governments pay market value, not necessarily what a non-profit or business chose to pay into it.

Also, did they rent or buy the strip mall?

1. It's a 1200 person capacity venue. It isn't the freakin Tabernacle, but that's why it's important to the local music scene. Bands don't start off at the Tabernacle or even Masquerade. It also isn't just based on a youth group. It's open to all genres but generally focuses on metal or hardcore punk.

2. Governments should compensate what the business looses and needs to relocate if they are just going to come in and knock it down. How on earth is that fair or protecting property rights?

[cwkimbro]

Originally Posted by Onthemove2014

1. It's a 1200 person capasity venue. It isn't the freakin Tabernacle, but that's why it's important to the local music scene. Bands don't start off at the Tabernacle or even Masquerade. It also isn't just based on a youth group. It's open to all genres but generally focuses on metal or hardcore punk.

2. Governments should compensate what the business looses and needs to relocate if they are just going to come in and knock it down. How on earth is that fair or protecting property rights?

yea but the venue obviously located there, because it was a cheap aging strip mall. There are tons of small to midsize venues... not to mention whats available in churches themselves, so the Atlanta music scene isn't exactly in jeopordy.

This is also in Douglasville. I don't exactly see this directly as a roads vs transit issue. Even with transit the main drags into town and to a freeway interchange will be busy corridors.

But... we are talking about compensation...

Were they renting or owning? Either is possible, but I ask since typically strip malls are rented and it affects compensation.


It is also not the governments fault if a property owner over-improves a property beyond market value. If it was almost every public investment project would be far more expensive, because every property would try to get peak value of their property regardless of when it was or what improvements they made. It would also mean every struggling and aging business would get paid for bad business decisions at the cost of the tax payer.

The other thing I'm curious about with the renting aspect...

The property is set back from the road a good bit. It might be possible the owner of the strip mall claimed you need to take the whole lot or none of it and it was possible to just have them buy a portion of the lot. The property owner might have saw it as a good time to get out of the property and think a median was going to lower the property value anyways.

If this is the case the real beef if with the owner, not the government.... even if the owner tries to pass blame on to the state.

If they are the owner... I would go back to the state and see if the building can be saved. I bet it could and would be lower cost to the state.

[Onthemove2014]

Originally Posted by cwkimbro

yea but the venue obviously located there, because it was a cheap aging strip mall. There are tons of small to midsize venues... not to mention whats available in churches themselves, so the Atlanta music scene isn't exactly in jeopordy.

This is also in Douglasville. I don't exactly see this directly as a roads vs transit issue. Even with transit the main drags into town and to a freeway interchange will be busy corridors.

But... we are talking about compensation...

Were they renting or owning? Either is possible, but I ask since typically strip malls are rented and it affects compensation.


It is also not the governments fault if a property owner over-improves a property beyond market value. If it was almost every public investment project would be far more expensive, because every property would try to get peak value of their property regardless of when it was or what improvements they made. It would also mean every struggling and aging business would get paid for bad business decisions at the cost of the tax payer.

The other thing I'm curious about with the renting aspect...

The property is set back from the road a good bit. It might be possible the owner of the strip mall claimed you need to take the whole lot or none of it and it was possible to just have them buy a portion of the lot. The property owner might have saw it as a good time to get out of the property and think a median was going to lower the property value anyways.

If this is the case the real beef if with the owner, not the government.... even if the owner tries to pass blame on to the state.

If they are the owner... I would go back to the state and see if the building can be saved. I bet it could and would be lower cost to the state.

1. You obviously, don't follow the genres of music played if you think loosing this place isn't a big deal.

2. I'm sure if you owned a business and were told that it was going to be torn down for a public park and they were only going to give the worth of the building and no moving expenses or anything to help you relocate you would not be cool with that .

[ATLTJL]

Something isn't right, here.

If they rented the building....well, that's just tough. There's no guarantee that your lease will ever be renewed and that's the risk you take by renting and not owning. If you decide to remodel and sink significant money into a property you don't own, you have to know that you might lose some or all of that investment.

If they own the building, they can argue that what they have done to the building has increased its value and demand fair market value for what the building is worth with the improvements. They could probably tie that up in court for years, and I'm sure the state would just pay a fair value to avoid that.

It's hard to aruge that a small venue in a Douglasville strip mall is important to the Atlanta metro music scene.

If you think that is bad, think about what happened to the poor people who ran Vision. They dropped millions of dollars on the space and made it absolutely beautiful as anybody who went to Vision surely remembers. Then a year or two later they were told, "Oh, we're turning this space into condos now. And we don't want a club here, so pack it up and get out." I don't know how much they were able to salvage, but I'm sure they weren't happy.

[Ant131531]

I never even heard of this place so how is it important to the Atlanta metro music scene? Let's not use hyperboles to further gain support for this cause.

I even fail to see how transit 'loudly' kills this venue and as we all know, I'm one of the biggest supporters for new transit here in Atlanta.

Sadly, I'm not very convinced.

[Onthemove2014]

Originally Posted by ATLTJL

Something isn't right, here.

If they rented the building....well, that's just tough. There's no guarantee that your lease will ever be renewed and that's the risk you take by renting and not owning. If you decide to remodel and sink significant money into a property you don't own, you have to know that you might lose some or all of that investment.

If they own the building, they can argue that what they have done to the building has increased its value and demand fair market value for what the building is worth with the improvements. They could probably tie that up in court for years, and I'm sure the state would just pay a fair value to avoid that.

It's hard to aruge that a small venue in a Douglasville strip mall is important to the Atlanta metro music scene.

If you think that is bad, think about what happened to the poor people who ran Vision. They dropped millions of dollars on the space and made it absolutely beautiful as anybody who went to Vision surely remembers. Then a year or two later they were told, "Oh, we're turning this space into condos now. And we don't want a club here, so pack it up and get out." I don't know how much they were able to salvage, but I'm sure they weren't happy.

It's hard to argue its importance if you aren't really into music and only care about top 40 bands that play at Midtown music and Tabernacle. Otherwise, it's easy to see and hopefully some people reading this do.

[Onthemove2014]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

I never even heard of this place so how is it important to the Atlanta metro music scene? Let's not use hyperboles to further gain support for this cause.

I even fail to see how transit 'loudly' kills this venue and as we all know, I'm one of the biggest supporters for new transit here in Atlanta.

Sadly, I'm not very convinced.

I made a typo do to auto-correct.

If you are only into rap or top 40 then you would not know.

http://the7venue.com/

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by Onthemove2014

It's hard to argue its importance if you aren't really into music and only care about top 40 bands that play at Midtown music and Tabernacle. Otherwise, it's easy to see and hopefully some people reading this do.

So, because he doesn't necessarily support this cause, you're going to jump straight to conclusions and assume he really isn't into music and only cares about bands that play at higher-class venues?

That's a great way to gain support there, champ. Keep going.