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Old 11-06-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Conyers, GA
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I'm not convinced our Democratic leadership is going to get a second term, a lot of people are extremely dissatisfied with their performance since 2008, even across racial lines. The few public sources we have (namely the Rockdale Citizen) are somewhat lopsided in terms of the general public making comments so it's hard to tell which way this local election is going to go.
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Old 11-06-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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It's interesting to see what's happening in Rockdale County. It was one of the major recipients of "white flight" from Southside neighborhoods and the Tri Cities the late 70s and 80s. Now it seems those same folks are running even farther for the same reason they left their original 'hoods. Can't run forever folks, you have to face the future at some point.
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Old 11-06-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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It's interesting to see what's happening in Rockdale County. It was one of the major recipients of "white flight" from Southside neighborhoods and the Tri Cities the late 70s and 80s. Now it seems those same folks are running even farther for the same reason they left their original 'hoods. Can't run forever folks, you have to face the future at some point.
This is the way I look at it. More and more Blacks want to live in the suburbs, and many Blacks are able to because they can afford it.

Rockdale County went from Red to Blue. Douglas County, to the far west, went Blue in the 2008 Presidential Election by a slim margin.
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:14 PM
 
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It's interesting to see what's happening in Rockdale County. It was one of the major recipients of "white flight" from Southside neighborhoods and the Tri Cities the late 70s and 80s. Now it seems those same folks are running even farther for the same reason they left their original 'hoods. Can't run forever folks, you have to face the future at some point.
What do these white people want? What are they trying to achieve by running further and further out?

Makes me think of Satchel Paige's great line: "Don't look back, something might be gaining on you."
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Old 11-06-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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They betta git out while the gittin's good...!




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Old 11-06-2012, 04:04 PM
 
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What do these white people want? What are they trying to achieve by running further and further out?

Makes me think of Satchel Paige's great line: "Don't look back, something might be gaining on you."
You can't really throw stones at them. A large % of Metro Atlanta is areas that were majority white and now are majority black. Just look at SW ATL, Clayton County, South DeKalb. Look at the problems that Clayton County has had with school accreditation - now many blacks are trying to leave Clayton. Also, if one reads the ajc.com, there are numerous reports of shootings in SW ATL. Should people who live in more affluent areas criticize those who live in less affluent areas who choose to move as their areas change? The big driving force is the public schools and their test scores. These scores are the driving force when parents are looking to buy a home. The typical pattern in Metro ATL is that the apartments in area after a few years charge lower rent and this attracts poor minority families who are transient in the community. As a result, test scores at the neighborhood schools begin to decline. At the same time, the neighborhoods of single family homes have fewer students attending the schools as the students graduate from high school and the neighborhoods become full of empty nesters. The result is that the kids from the apartments become the dominant population in the local public schools and the test scores plunge. The homeowners have a difficult time selling their homes because of the schools' test scores. Home prices fall and more minorities move into the area and the area which had been majority white is now majority black.

This pattern has played out over the last 50 years and is continuing to this day. This is the reason that new apartments are opposed by the local homeowners when they come up for zoning. For example, the City of Smyrna has had a moratorium on new apartment construction for the last almost 10 years and in addition, Smyrna has purchased several older apartment complexes and had them redeveloped.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:06 PM
 
Location: East Side of ATL
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I'm not convinced our Democratic leadership is going to get a second term, a lot of people are extremely dissatisfied with their performance since 2008, even across racial lines. The few public sources we have (namely the Rockdale Citizen) are somewhat lopsided in terms of the general public making comments so it's hard to tell which way this local election is going to go.
I voted against Oz Nesbitt because of his family violence and the lawsuit over the W&D, I believe it was a couple years ago. He isn't taking care of home so he has no business being in office at all.

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Old 11-06-2012, 04:41 PM
 
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You can't really throw stones at them. A large % of Metro Atlanta is areas that were majority white and now are majority black. Just look at SW ATL, Clayton County, South DeKalb. Look at the problems that Clayton County has had with school accreditation - now many blacks are trying to leave Clayton. Also, if one reads the ajc.com, there are numerous reports of shootings in SW ATL. Should people who live in more affluent areas criticize those who live in less affluent areas who choose to move as their areas change? The big driving force is the public schools and their test scores. These scores are the driving force when parents are looking to buy a home. The typical pattern in Metro ATL is that the apartments in area after a few years charge lower rent and this attracts poor minority families who are transient in the community. As a result, test scores at the neighborhood schools begin to decline. At the same time, the neighborhoods of single family homes have fewer students attending the schools as the students graduate from high school and the neighborhoods become full of empty nesters. The result is that the kids from the apartments become the dominant population in the local public schools and the test scores plunge. The homeowners have a difficult time selling their homes because of the schools' test scores. Home prices fall and more minorities move into the area and the area which had been majority white is now majority black.

This pattern has played out over the last 50 years and is continuing to this day. This is the reason that new apartments are opposed by the local homeowners when they come up for zoning. For example, the City of Smyrna has had a moratorium on new apartment construction for the last almost 10 years and in addition, Smyrna has purchased several older apartment complexes and had them redeveloped.


Well what is your solution? Everyone can't live in a home and we already have more home then needed.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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You can't really throw stones at them. A large % of Metro Atlanta is areas that were majority white and now are majority black. Just look at SW ATL, Clayton County, South DeKalb. Look at the problems that Clayton County has had with school accreditation - now many blacks are trying to leave Clayton. Also, if one reads the ajc.com, there are numerous reports of shootings in SW ATL. Should people who live in more affluent areas criticize those who live in less affluent areas who choose to move as their areas change? The big driving force is the public schools and their test scores. These scores are the driving force when parents are looking to buy a home. The typical pattern in Metro ATL is that the apartments in area after a few years charge lower rent and this attracts poor minority families who are transient in the community. As a result, test scores at the neighborhood schools begin to decline. At the same time, the neighborhoods of single family homes have fewer students attending the schools as the students graduate from high school and the neighborhoods become full of empty nesters. The result is that the kids from the apartments become the dominant population in the local public schools and the test scores plunge. The homeowners have a difficult time selling their homes because of the schools' test scores. Home prices fall and more minorities move into the area and the area which had been majority white is now majority black.

This pattern has played out over the last 50 years and is continuing to this day. This is the reason that new apartments are opposed by the local homeowners when they come up for zoning. For example, the City of Smyrna has had a moratorium on new apartment construction for the last almost 10 years and in addition, Smyrna has purchased several older apartment complexes and had them redeveloped.
In short, are you trying to say that Blacks should be kept out of the suburbs?
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:03 PM
 
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In short, are you trying to say that Blacks should be kept out of the suburbs?
No, I never said that. I just stated the chain of events that has happened in the Metro Atlanta area over the last 50 years. This "white flight" usually begins in the apartments in the area which may open as "luxury apartments", attracting a crowd of "young professionals". A big example of this is the Riverbend Apartments on Akers Mill Rd./Powers Ferry Rd. at the Chattahoochee River. Back in the 1970's it was party city loaded with young professionals and a bunch of Atlanta Falcons players. However, over time, newer apartment complexes were built, Riverbend could not continue to attract the same clientele it had in the 1970's, rents dropped and it became a totally different community. Likewise, the numerous older apartment complexes along Roswell Rd. in Sandy Springs originally attracted young, college educated professionals and now they attract a totally different demographic. Also, the many apartmetns which line Buford highway originally attracted a lot of Airline pilots and flight attendants back in the 1960's- you wouldn't know that now. As I said, people, especially realtors, pour over the test scores of the local schools. When the local schools begin to be populated by the transient students of the nearby apartments, the test scores begin to be lower than the neighboring schools which are populated by only single family homes. When potential buyers are looking at homes, the test scores sway them from buying those houses in the same district with a large number of apartments. The result is that home prices stagnate or fall, and the original white owners often move.

I am not saying that blacks should be kept out of the suburbs, at all. I am just describing a historical process which has happened over and over again. I knew of a family who was living in Martin's Landing in Roswell quite a number of years ago and chose to move into farther north, North Fulton because their child's class consisted of two kids from Martins's Landing and the remainder from the apartments which line Holcomb Bridge Rd. Their concerns were not racial, but the quality of education.

A lot of posters on this Forum have the view that every neighborhood should have a perfect balance of diversity - one white family, one black, one asian, one hispanic, etc. That has not been the reality in Metro Atlanta.

The reason for my original post was that the OP made it sound like there had been a philosphical change in the politics of Rockdale County in the way that many former former Republican voters in the NE (e.g. Philadelphia suburbs) began voting for Democrats because of social issues. In Rockdale County, this was not the case. The Republican voters in Rockdale County had just moved to other locations, but didn't change their political philosophy when they moved.

Ironically, the opposite is happening in many of the Intown neighborhoods where wealthy whites are getrifying neighborhoods and as a result, the black population is declining. As these wealthy whites fix up houses, the assesed tax values go up, making it more difficult for the long term owners to pay the new higher taxes, so many choose to sell at the new higher values and as a result, the neighborhood becomes increasingly white. Also, the City of Atlanta has made considerable efforts at removing public housing in these areas which has also contributed to these areas going through a transition from majority black to majority white.
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