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Old 02-14-2014, 05:15 PM
 
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Of course sprawl brings traffic. that's already been noted.

My point is that Perimeter has exceeded what the area can support. Density is great, but putting an office next to MARTA is but a small thing. The vast majority of employees will driving cars and not all of the new office space will be in the lot across from MARTA.
But Manhattan has not exceeded what it can support? No. There is nothing special about the piece of land that is the perimeter area. No one is entitled to be able to commute 40 miles on free highways in 45 mins. If you want a traffic free commute, live next to work or take transit.
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Old 02-14-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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So you are comparing an urban environment with Perimeter....? yeah, I can why you would be confused.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:08 PM
 
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So you are comparing an urban environment with Perimeter....? yeah, I can why you would be confused.
Yep. Because Perimeter is becoming an urban environment. Just like Buckhead is going through and Midtown has done.

Midtown was a suburb full of single family homes 60 years ago: Peachtree at Sixth Street, looking north, 1940s
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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Midtown honestly had way better bones to become an urban environment. Tighter streets...a grid...not really comparable. Perimeter is also anchored by a massive suburban mall lol.
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:40 PM
 
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Yep. Because Perimeter is becoming an urban environment
That's an interesting definition of urban... Buckhead is hardly urban either.

Midtown is making great strides though.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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That's an interesting definition of urban... Buckhead is hardly urban either.
Some sections of Buckhead are urban and some are not.

Many of the single family neighborhoods (in Buckhead and other parts of the city) are very into keeping it that way.

Frankly it's hard to disagree. Atlanta is characterized by its beautiful neighborhoods and we wouldn't have nearly as attractive a city without them.
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:06 PM
 
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Things is none of the development now is tearing into those single family homes, but they are building on empty lots. I don't see how this is a problem. Would you rather have parking lots everywhere? I don't understand.

I'm glad we don't have people like you making the decisions for developers or city leader or Atlanta would still be a backwards, non-progressive city today being held back by the NIMBYs.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:16 AM
 
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Wrong, you are adding straw men. I specifically responded to the State Farm development. The fact is that while TOD is great and the density that can come with it, the existing Perimeter developments, coupled with lacking infrastructure are big, big problems. You can't add a building next to MARTA and expect a problem to be solved. Perimter has bigger problems, as does Atlanta.

The fact that Perimeter is a bigger office market than downtown speaks volume to misguided priorities.

An Atlanta progressive would support State Farm building downtown or Midtown.

And how progressive are people on this forum who looking for homes in Cumming???

And then expect offices to continue to sprout up in Alpharetta...
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:57 AM
 
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I'm still not clear on what you mean by "lacking infrastructure." Every mode of transport is available there. It has buses, bike lanes, sidewalks, three rail stations, wide roads, and two freeways. Improvements are continuing to be made (whether you like them or not) and it's even loosely laid out in a grid. Land use is as mixed as it is anywhere in town. What is it that's lacking so badly that all development should be halted? If you're making that assertion based on congestion alone, I have some bad news for you: Cities have traffic. Do you really think Peachtree is any better than Ashford Dunwoody, or the Connector is any better than 285? I think you need to do some driving in other areas during rush hour so you can get a good benchmark. Perimeter can handle this development as well as any other part of Atlanta's urban spine.
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Old 02-15-2014, 07:58 AM
 
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Joe, what are you suggesting solution? We forbid State Farm from bringing in new jobs? We zone so the jobs are more spread out and people have to drive on the roads even more? We spend billions building more freeway lanes that only brings more sprawl?
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