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Old 02-07-2013, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Why blame anyone? There hasn't really been a need, so rail in Cobb hasn't happened. Not a big deal.

The Cobb County Commission generally doesn't address things unless they're seen as important to the county, and I'm not sure rail in Cobb fits that description. They have lots of other things to spend money on to improve life in Cobb like schools, the water system, roads, parks, etc.

As a future development and as something to help with metro-wide transit as a whole, a good case could probably be made for rail to Cumberland and perhaps also along the I-75 corridor and elsewhere, and in time that will probably happen, but the fact that it hasn't happened to this point should not be a surprise to anybody. It isn't anti-rail sentiment, it's simply a lack of interest.
I am not blaming anyone, since I don't live there. I was responding to the comment that the residents have not be asked to vote recently, like Gwinnett and Clayton counties.
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Old 02-07-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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Why blame anyone?
I'm certainly not "blaming" anyone either, RC. I was just responding to a post complaining that Atlanta doesn't offer transit options to towns like Marietta and Norcross by pointing out that those counties voted against transit.

I know that was 40 years ago but they haven't made any further effort to join MARTA or offered up any other pro-transit candidates or referendums. Perhaps folks in Cobb and Gwinnett are changing their minds on this but so far I haven't noticed a groundswell of opinion.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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You are not alone, Arjay. I have always lived in a central city. The idea of a 20 to 40 mile commute to me is worse than that of being water boarded. I really don't understand why anyone would do it or say they can't live in the city if that long of a commute bothers them.
In my mind, it is not just the hassle and expense of making long drives every day, but also the fact that we need to be good stewards of our planet. I don't mean to get up on a high horse about this because I'm sure I do plenty of things that are not the most environmentally wise.

Still, we all have to do our part. Fossil fuels are a finite resource. They come at a very heavy price in terms of our geopolitical existence and our climate. And what about the growing demand from China, India and other rapidly developing nations?

When we are sailing along in our cars it's easy to forget how far 20, 30 or 40 miles is. Until recently that was the sort of journey we humans would rarely make. What if we had to cover that ground on foot, or by horseback?

Oh well, so much for the soapbox. It's just hard for me to see how we are building a sustainable world if we drive 50 or 60 miles a day.
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Old 02-07-2013, 03:58 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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In my mind, it is not just the hassle and expense of making long drives every day, but also the fact that we need to be good stewards of our planet. I don't mean to get up on a high horse about this because I'm sure I do plenty of things that are not the most environmentally wise.
Like Atlurbanist said on his blog today, we need to build more of this:



Build less of this:



To keep more of this:



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Old 02-07-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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Well, that was me and maybe I am out of touch. It just seems like 20-40 miles is a mighty long way to live from where you work. I realize we're living in a time when a gallon of gas costs less than a gallon of water but eventually that ultra cheap energy will be gone. Then what?
So if I bought my house in Woodstock when I worked in Marietta, then lost my job, and pretty much had to take a job downtown in order to have employment -- that's my fault because I picked where I lived? Maybe we should just all rent apartments so we're truly mobile. Remember that not everyone who lives where they do intended on the commute they currently have.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Like Atlurbanist said on his blog today, we need to build more of this:

Build less of this:

To keep more of this:

I agree, but many suburbs (at least in Atlanta) don't take long to get that tree cover back, assuming it goes away at all. Here's a pic of my local area in Mableton, for example. That's pretty green. The existence of the girl scount camp in the lower right doesn't hurt, but even the subdivisions retain a lot of trees between streets and houses.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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With the exception of Houston, ALL of the cities worse than us on that list except Houston, have alternatives, namely commuter rail into the suburbs. Atlanta has nothing! The dinky little Xpress service doesn't come close to providing real alternatives for most people.
Isn't that crazy they have alternatives and yet they still have bad traffic. Me personally I would never Live outside the perimeter. Y'all can have those horrible commutes to never never land

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Old 02-07-2013, 06:02 PM
 
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There are a lot of choices intown and the inner burbs that don't include life long servitude to a mortgage or being "stabbed in the middle of the night". LOL
Where are these affordable safe places with good public schools intown? I haven't seen them.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Well not really. We have a higher metro population than Boston, basically the same as Houston and DC, and smaller by a million than San Francisco.
Atlanta is significantly smaller than all of those metros and takes up a very large amount of land. Atlanta is the least densely populated city in THE WORLD!!! Source below:

World Urban Areas Population and Density: A 2012 Update | Newgeography.com

And where are you getting your population figures from? Look at how much larger these cities are than Atlanta:

Washington-Baltimore (same amount of land as all of Atlanta): 8.7 million
Boston-Worcester (same amount of land as all of Atlanta): 7.6 million
San Francisco-San Jose (same amount of land as all of Atlanta): 7.5 million
Houston-Baytown:6.1 million
Atlanta-Gainesville:5.7 million

Source:
List of Combined Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Washington has 3 million more people than Atlanta and Boston has 2 million more people in the same amount of land as Atlanta. No wonder their traffic is worse even with heavy rail, light rail and commuter rail!
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:25 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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Atlanta is significantly smaller than all of those metros and takes up a very large amount of land. Atlanta is the least densely populated city in THE WORLD!!! Source below:

World Urban Areas Population and Density: A 2012 Update | Newgeography.com

And where are you getting your population figures from? Look at how much larger these cities are than Atlanta:

Washington-Baltimore (same amount of land as all of Atlanta): 8.7 million
Boston-Worcester (same amount of land as all of Atlanta): 7.6 million
San Francisco-San Jose (same amount of land as all of Atlanta): 7.5 million
Houston-Baytown:6.1 million
Atlanta-Gainesville:5.7 million

Source:
List of Combined Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Washington has 3 million more people than Atlanta and Boston has 2 million more people in the same amount of land as Atlanta. No wonder their traffic is worse even with heavy rail, light rail and commuter rail!
Those are CSAs, which show regional populations. For Boston that means basically all of New England. Washington is combined with Baltimore, I don't know a single person who considers the two a single metro. San Francisco is the only CSA that gives a true metro view since San Jose and San Francisco/Oakland are separated from each other for commuting accounting purposes at the MSA level. And Houston significantly larger than atlanta at the CSA level? Wuh.

Anyway, the MSA is what you should pay attention to for Metropolitan areas since it just shows the central city and immediate suburbs.
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