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Old 02-07-2013, 05:29 PM
 
Location: A Very Naughtytown In Northwestern Montanifornia U.S.A.
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I think at this point it would be prudent to just sit back and watch Colorado and Washington for a couple of years before moving ahead with anything.
No keep up the pressure for legalization while the movement has "momentum"
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:19 PM
 
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Again, anecdotal.

The science is clear that marijuana use, especially among developing brains, inhibits ability to learn. That doesn't mean that smart people can't still achieve with marijuana use. It just means that they would achieve more without it. Unless it is occasional.
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The problem with marijuana is legalizing it willy nilly without fully preparing for it is setting us up to have as unhealthy a relationship with it as we do with alcohol. You can't deny that when something becomes legal usage goes up. That is fact. Are we yet prepared to adequately deal with increased use of marijuana? Do we have dependency programs set up, especially for minors who get involved and want to get off it? Do we even have adequate field tests to measure inebriated driving when marijuana is involved? These issues should be addressed before the floodgates are opened.
Marijuana is not addictive.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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What purpose does marijuana serve in society? NONE! Neither does tobacco for that matter, but pretty hard to put the five-thousand year old genie back in the bottle. Alcohol is a beverage, and one where intoxicated behavior is either readily apparent, or can be tested. I've yet to see a breathalyzer test for marijuana. So do we really want stoned people driving? "Well just use the same implied consent law like Alcohol." With alcohol, an innocent driver stops, blows, leaves. With marijuana, an innocent driver is stopped, detained, hauled off, pricked with a needle, detained for another few hours, then [maybe] released. Until there's a fast, roadside test for some kind of legal limit of marijuana, there CAN NOT be general legalization.
Not to mention the fact the legalization at the State level is superceded by Federal law, and the Feds could easily (hopefully) decide to turn around and start enforcing their laws.
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Old 02-07-2013, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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The science is clear that marijuana use, especially among developing brains, inhibits ability to learn.
Not sure how this is relevant when:

1. So does alcohol abuse, and I don't see anyone calling for prohibition to be brought back.

2. It is actually easier for many kids to get marijuana today than alcohol, since ALL distribution is underground (many kids are dealers themselves) and no one selling it today will ever ask for ID.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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What purpose does marijuana serve in society?
What purpose does sour worms and thongs server for society? This questions is useless.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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Are you kidding? The science is everywhere. This has been studied and proven.

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ScienceDirect.com - Trends in Neurosciences - The endogenous cannabinoid system and brain development

ScienceDirect.com - Neurotoxicology and Teratology - Effects of alcohol and combined marijuana and alcohol use during adolescence on hippocampal volume and asymmetry

Those are just the first studies that came up. The science is literally all over and well known that marijuana use on a developing brain affects it. Much research indicates that the male brain is developing until the age of 25.

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Marijuana is not addictive.
Of course it is. It just isn't physically addictive so users don't experience withdrawal when they quit. But it is extremely psychoclogically addictive which is just as powerful as physical addiction. That's why there are addiction programs to help people get off it.

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So does alcohol abuse, and I don't see anyone calling for prohibition to be brought back.
This is kind of a silly argument because alcohol is so ingrained in our society. If we knew everything about alcohol that we know now back when it was inveted, it probably would have not been made legal. But it has been legal for a log time and is so woven into our society that you can not close Pandora's box. Marijuana might be another Pandora's box that we have not yet opened, so it's worth really examining it before we open it. Once we do, it will not shut again easily.

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It is actually easier for many kids to get marijuana today than alcohol, since ALL distribution is underground
Certainly you aren't arguing that legalizing marijuana will somehow make it LESS accessible to kids, are you? Maybe it's easier to get than alcohol (I don't believe you that it is, but let's just assume that it is), so why make it even easier still?

Still, nobody has addressed the point that I'm trying to make. I'm not saying to definitely not legalize it. I'm just saying why not wait until we see what the fallout from legalizing it means in Colorado and Washington so we can be better prepared for the effects of it? There are all kinds of unknowns, and I'd just as soon have a better idea what we're dealing with before just damning the torpedoes and seeing what happens.

You've been smoking your weed illegally your entire life. Another couple of years isn't going to kill you while we sort out the ins and outs of how to deal with legalizing it properly and with foresight.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:56 PM
 
Location: ITP - City of Atlanta Proper
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I never understood why this is such big Deal to begin with when tobacco kills 500,000 Americans every year and it's still sold. If this was about health then this is a double standard, but then again, the amount of money that is made in courts, fines, etc, it seems more profitable for the politicians to keep it illegal.
You got it right it is kept illegal even though tobacco and alcohol use is clearly more dangerous, but its not the government per se. It's the Tabaccco and alcohol lobbies themselves that make sure the laws are kept in place. Why? Do you know how many people would either significantly reduce or stop completely their in take of cigarettes or alcohol if weed was made legal? They'd lose so much money it would be disasterous to them.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:00 PM
 
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What purpose does marijuana serve in society? NONE! Neither does tobacco for that matter, but pretty hard to put the five-thousand year old genie back in the bottle. Alcohol is a beverage, and one where intoxicated behavior is either readily apparent, or can be tested. I've yet to see a breathalyzer test for marijuana. So do we really want stoned people driving? "Well just use the same implied consent law like Alcohol." With alcohol, an innocent driver stops, blows, leaves. With marijuana, an innocent driver is stopped, detained, hauled off, pricked with a needle, detained for another few hours, then [maybe] released. Until there's a fast, roadside test for some kind of legal limit of marijuana, there CAN NOT be general legalization.
Not to mention the fact the legalization at the State level is superceded by Federal law, and the Feds could easily (hopefully) decide to turn around and start enforcing their laws.
Pot has medical, spiritual and recreational benefits to society and has been in use for thousands of years. Much longer than tobacco. Is was made illegal less than a hundred years ago. We don't have a breathalyzer for pain meds but they are legal. What about benzos? Do you really believe that tens of millions of Americans who aren't doing anything to harm anyone should be made into criminals because you are afraid they will drive stoned. Do you really think the federal government could enforce the laws against private marijuana use without help from the states? They don't have the money or the balls to try and go against the will of the people and they have already said they won't go after private use. If you really think it would be easy for them you are going to be very disappointed.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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Pot has medical, spiritual and recreational benefits to society and has been in use for thousands of years.
So does heroin.
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Old 02-07-2013, 10:06 PM
 
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So does heroin.
Heroin can kill you.
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