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(1) It's obvious this person is a troll
(2) Do you see anything wrong with the statement "We tried to open up to blacks. They brought murder and crime." From the tone of your "warning" it appears you are more concerned with the pro-diversity type them you are this statement.
I think his statement was ignorant and poorly worded but I have also seen first hand on here that anytime someone mentions wanting to be in an all white part of town they are harshly criticized. Now for me personally there is NOTHING wrong with wanting to be in a white part of town and NOTHING wrong with hoping that it stays that way. Far too many areas of this town have gone down the toilet once white flight occured. I know first hand because I was raised in Morrow in Clayton County and I dont even recognize my hometown anymore.
Wanting to keep that from happening does NOT make someone a bigot or racist. It makes them a realist as in most cases they have experienced it first hand. Now this guy or gal went about stating their opinions in a pretty bigoted way, had they worded it differently I wouldnt have a problem with them stating that would be unhappy if a bunch of minorites moved in and the area was the worse because of it.
I think his statement was ignorant and poorly worded but I have also seen first hand on here that anytime someone mentions wanting to be in an all white part of town they are harshly criticized. Now for me personally there is NOTHING wrong with wanting to be in a white part of town and NOTHING wrong with hoping that it stays that way. Far too many areas of this town have gone down the toilet once white flight occured. I know first hand because I was raised in Morrow in Clayton County and I dont even recognize my hometown anymore.
Wanting to keep that from happening does NOT make someone a bigot or racist. It makes them a realist as in most cases they have experienced it first hand. Now this guy or gal went about stating their opinions in a pretty bigoted way, had they worded it differently I wouldnt have a problem with them stating that would be unhappy if a bunch of minorites moved in and the area was the worse because of it.
It is obvious that you do not know how this phenomenon called "white flight" works or how it started.
In the old days, there were many areas set up to keep minorities out, mainly through restrictive covenants and sundown laws.
Nowadays, that stuff is illegal, and I'm glad it is. As an African-American, I would not want to live in those bad old days.
Now onto how white flight works. It is more complicated that you think. Areas don't go bad automatically just because Blacks or other minorities move in. Many cases, one Black family moves in. A few of the White residents either don't want the Black family there or have a fear of falling property values. Sometimes the house gets sold at a loss to someone else. Usually, the areas goes bad when the tax base drops. That happens when a considerable amount of the population isn't making much money. As housing values fall, the poor and working class will be able to move in easier because with falling property values, the cost of living will go down. The chances of criminals getting in are higher because in terms of spatial analysis, blue collar crime affects the poor and working class more than other social classes.
This is what I notice: Much of the time, middle-class African-Americans are dispersed among the rest of the population, with concentrations varying. There are areas that are predominantly Black and very safe and affluent, such as Cascade Heights(in the city of Atlanta), Olympia Fields(near Chicago), Baldwin Hills(in Los Angeles), and a few other areas. Those places exist. On that note, middle-class African-Americans are much more likely to live in predominantly White areas than middle class Whites are to live in predominantly Black areas, even if those areas have low crime rates and decent incomes.
This begs some questions.
1) Where do the working class and the poor live if other people do not want them around, whether or not the individuals commit crimes?
2)Why leave an area simply because one Black family moves in?
3)Places like Cascade Heights and Baldwin Hills exist. Thing is, these are expensive areas. What does this mean for African-Americans who want to live in safe areas, who want good schools, but aren't millionaires?
Why did Morrow in Clayton County turn out the way it did? One theory I have is that when the city of Atlanta destroyed its housing projects, some of the residents of those housing projects went to Clayton County and other counties.
Many African-Americans are looking for the same things as many of White people are looking for: a nice, reasonably priced home, a safe neighborhood, good neighbors, good schools, and other things that make a place liveable.
This poses another question: Where are most of the middle-class African-Americans residents moving to in metropolitan Atlanta?
Last edited by green_mariner; 10-19-2010 at 01:43 PM..
[quote=pirate_lafitte;16319566]It is obvious that you do not know how this phenomenon called "white flight" works or how it started.
In the old days, there were many areas set up to keep minorities out, mainly through restrictive covenants and sundown laws.
Nowadays, that stuff is illegal, and I'm glad it is. As an African-American, I would not want to live in those bad old days.
Now onto how white flight works. It is more complicated that you think. Areas don't go bad automatically just because Blacks or other minorities move in. Many cases, one Black family moves in. A few of the White residents either don't want the Black family there or have a fear of falling property values. Sometimes the house gets sold at a loss to someone else. Usually, the areas goes bad when the tax base drops. That happens when a considerable amount of the population isn't making much money. As housing values fall, the poor and working class will be able to move in easier because with falling property values, the cost of living will go down. The chances of criminals getting in are higher because in terms of spatial analysis, blue collar crime affects the poor and working class more than other social classes.
This is what I notice: Much of the time, middle-class African-Americans are dispersed among the rest of the population, with concentrations varying. There are areas that are predominantly Black and very safe and affluent, such as Cascade Heights(in the city of Atlanta), Olympia Fields(near Chicago), Baldwin Hills(in Los Angeles), and a few other areas. Those places exist. On that note, middle-class African-Americans are much more likely to live in predominantly White areas than middle class Whites are to live in predominantly Black areas, even if those areas have low crime rates and decent incomes.
This begs some questions.
1) Where do the working class and the poor live if other people do not want them around, whether or not the individuals commit crimes?
2)Why leave an area simply because one Black family moves in?
3)Places like Cascade Heights and Baldwin Hills exist. Thing is, these are expensive areas. What does this mean for African-Americans who want to live in safe areas, who want good schools, but aren't millionaires?
Why did Morrow in Clayton County turn out the way it did? One theory I have is that when the city of Atlanta destroyed its housing projects, some of the residents of those housing projects went to Clayton County and other counties.
Many African-Americans are looking for the same things as many of White people are looking for: a nice, reasonably priced home, a safe neighborhood, good neighbors, good schools, and other things that make a place liveable.
This poses another question: Where are most of the middle-class African-Americans residents moving to in metropolitan Atlanta?[/quote]
Many are moving to formally white areas like Clayton county, like Henry county, Conyers, Fayetteville, Smyrna, Marietta, Norcross, Duluth and Lawrenceville. All of these areas used to be overwhelmingly white, that is no longer the case. So simply put that is where many are winding up.
Also "white flight" isnt as complex as you would like to make it. Simply put most places where it occurs are typically older white areas that in some ways are already on the decline. They typically have apartments, duplexes and other rental options available. Some whites left or were planning on leaving before minorities move in because of said decline. Once the minorities do start to move in you will get the initial wave of people who immediately move. Then the remaining whites see this and start to think about leaving and the process just accelerates from there. Simply put once there is more than about 25%-30% of new minorities moving in, the whites will begin to flee in large numbers. This is just a fact and in this town has happened more times than I even care to mention.
It is obvious that you do not know how this phenomenon called "white flight" works or how it started.
In the old days, there were many areas set up to keep minorities out, mainly through restrictive covenants and sundown laws.
Nowadays, that stuff is illegal, and I'm glad it is. As an African-American, I would not want to live in those bad old days.
Now onto how white flight works. It is more complicated that you think. Areas don't go bad automatically just because Blacks or other minorities move in. Many cases, one Black family moves in. A few of the White residents either don't want the Black family there or have a fear of falling property values. Sometimes the house gets sold at a loss to someone else. Usually, the areas goes bad when the tax base drops. That happens when a considerable amount of the population isn't making much money. As housing values fall, the poor and working class will be able to move in easier because with falling property values, the cost of living will go down. The chances of criminals getting in are higher because in terms of spatial analysis, blue collar crime affects the poor and working class more than other social classes.
This is what I notice: Much of the time, middle-class African-Americans are dispersed among the rest of the population, with concentrations varying. There are areas that are predominantly Black and very safe and affluent, such as Cascade Heights(in the city of Atlanta), Olympia Fields(near Chicago), Baldwin Hills(in Los Angeles), and a few other areas. Those places exist. On that note, middle-class African-Americans are much more likely to live in predominantly White areas than middle class Whites are to live in predominantly Black areas, even if those areas have low crime rates and decent incomes.
This begs some questions.
1) Where do the working class and the poor live if other people do not want them around, whether or not the individuals commit crimes?
2)Why leave an area simply because one Black family moves in?
3)Places like Cascade Heights and Baldwin Hills exist. Thing is, these are expensive areas. What does this mean for African-Americans who want to live in safe areas, who want good schools, but aren't millionaires?
Why did Morrow in Clayton County turn out the way it did? One theory I have is that when the city of Atlanta destroyed its housing projects, some of the residents of those housing projects went to Clayton County and other counties.
Many African-Americans are looking for the same things as many of White people are looking for: a nice, reasonably priced home, a safe neighborhood, good neighbors, good schools, and other things that make a place liveable.
This poses another question: Where are most of the middle-class African-Americans residents moving to in metropolitan Atlanta?
Its obvious that you have a skewed view of white flight that is very outdated. Not surprising though, because it seems to play into the whole victimization and persecution complex that many adhere to.
In any case, how would you know anything about what whites think or feel when a black neighbor moves in? You're not white. You have no clue beside some book that talked about white flight in the 60s or maybe a contemporary one written by someone like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
If there is a modern version of "white flight", it occurs strictly in blue collar areas, and its not the result of just one family moving in, or even blacks in particular. Look at parts of Gwinnett for an example regarding Hispanics. Doraville for an example regarding Asians. Either way, it takes a lot of them to move in before anything resembling white flight occurs. And when it does, its not some flood like you wish it was, but more of a gradual transition from white to minority. But every neighborhood transitions in some way - change is the only constant - so I'm not sure you can even blame white flight as a cause of an inevitable change.
I can voucher that in white collar areas, the scenario you describe does not exist, nor anything close. I grew up in the northern suburbs, in multiple subdivisions in various areas, all majority white. But there was always at least one black family in the neighborhood. And all hell didn't break lose when they moved in, the property values didn't plummet, and no white flight occurred. Now, 20 years later, those subdivisions are still white, still nice, and still expensive.
Its obvious that you have a skewed view of white flight that is very outdated. Not surprising though, because it seems to play into the whole victimization and persecution complex that many adhere to.
In any case, how would you know anything about what whites think or feel when a black neighbor moves in? You're not white. You have no clue beside some book that talked about white flight in the 60s or maybe a contemporary one written by someone like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
If there is a modern version of "white flight", it occurs strictly in blue collar areas, and its not the result of just one family moving in, or even blacks in particular. Look at parts of Gwinnett for an example regarding Hispanics. Doraville for an example regarding Asians. Either way, it takes a lot of them to move in before anything resembling white flight occurs. And when it does, its not some flood like you wish it was, but more of a gradual transition from white to minority. But every neighborhood transitions in some way - change is the only constant - so I'm not sure you can even blame white flight as a cause of an inevitable change.
I can voucher that in white collar areas, the scenario you describe does not exist, nor anything close. I grew up in the northern suburbs, in multiple subdivisions in various areas, all majority white. But there was always at least one black family in the neighborhood. And all hell didn't break lose when they moved in, the property values didn't plummet, and no white flight occurred. Now, 20 years later, those subdivisions are still white, still nice, and still expensive.
I didn't say this happens all of the time. I said this is how it normally happens. Cases can vary based on the community.
Its obvious that you have a skewed view of white flight that is very outdated. Not surprising though, because it seems to play into the whole victimization and persecution complex that many adhere to.
In any case, how would you know anything about what whites think or feel when a black neighbor moves in? You're not white. You have no clue beside some book that talked about white flight in the 60s or maybe a contemporary one written by someone like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
If there is a modern version of "white flight", it occurs strictly in blue collar areas, and its not the result of just one family moving in, or even blacks in particular. Look at parts of Gwinnett for an example regarding Hispanics. Doraville for an example regarding Asians. Either way, it takes a lot of them to move in before anything resembling white flight occurs. And when it does, its not some flood like you wish it was, but more of a gradual transition from white to minority. But every neighborhood transitions in some way - change is the only constant - so I'm not sure you can even blame white flight as a cause of an inevitable change.
I can voucher that in white collar areas, the scenario you describe does not exist, nor anything close. I grew up in the northern suburbs, in multiple subdivisions in various areas, all majority white. But there was always at least one black family in the neighborhood. And all hell didn't break lose when they moved in, the property values didn't plummet, and no white flight occurred. Now, 20 years later, those subdivisions are still white, still nice, and still expensive.
This is very true and that is why I relocated to the Northside from Clayton/Henry counties. For me I just couldnt take moving every 5-7 years to get away from the riff raff. Atlanta as much as any major city in this country allows areas to change demographics at a break neck pace, that is why it is so important to set down roots in area that is stable and will remain so.
Can you point out a place in this country where blacks and whites worship together? Other than maybe New York and San Francisco, where is this mythical, wonderfully diverse place where all races and ethnicities interact in harmony? Segregation isn't just in the south, and in fact, metro Atlanta is one of the least segregated areas I have ever seen, Forsyth county being the exception as it has only recently become more diverse. My diverse neighborhood would not even exist in most places up north, including Cleveland, Detroit, and other northern cities.
I attend an afro-centric Catholic church (Sacred Heart) in Detroit. The priest is white and the congregation is mixed. It's one of the few churches I've seen where blacks and whites worship together. I will sorely miss it when I relocate to Atlanta next month.
This is very true and that is why I relocated to the Northside from Clayton/Henry counties. For me I just couldnt take moving every 5-7 years to get away from the riff raff. Atlanta as much as any major city in this country allows areas to change demographics at a break neck pace, that is why it is so important to set down roots in area that is stable and will remain so.
People will move wherever they feel is best for themselves. You can't stop anyone from living in a certain place, and you shouldn't.
People will move wherever they feel is best for themselves. You can't stop anyone from living in a certain place, and you shouldn't.
Never said I would and I recognize that there isnt much that can be done but doing proper research into an area is key. Regardless of what anyone says there is a reason Alpharetta is desirable to almost everyone and Riverdale is not. I recognize that in 2010 most has to do with socioeconomics but if all the sudden alot of minorities started moving into North Fulton you would see white flight happen there as well. Like it or not that is just a fact.
Never said I would and I recognize that there isnt much that can be done but doing proper research into an area is key. Regardless of what anyone says there is a reason Alpharetta is desirable to almost everyone and Riverdale is not. I recognize that in 2010 most has to do with socioeconomics but if all the sudden alot of minorities started moving into North Fulton you would see white flight happen there as well. Like it or not that is just a fact.
You seem bitter. Read "White Flight" by Kevin M. Kruse. It's an eye opener and would help to explain what exactly happened in Atlanta during the days of white flight. I think you would be very suprised.
History speaks for itself and that book is very comprehensive.
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