in need of african american resources near cumming, ga (Atlanta: apartment complex, crime)
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You seem bitter. Read "White Flight" by Kevin M. Kruse. It's an eye opener and would help to explain what exactly happened in Atlanta during the days of white flight. I think you would be very suprised.
History speaks for itself and that book is very comprehensive.
I dont need to read anything about white flight, I lived through it when Clayton county went from pretty much all white to all black in about 15 years starting in the early 90's. Most people would feel bitter if they saw there home town turn into a crime infested warzone right in front of their eyes.
I dont need to read anything about white flight, I lived through it when Clayton county went from pretty much all white to all black in about 15 years starting in the early 90's. Most people would feel bitter if they saw there home town turn into a crime infested warzone right in front of their eyes.
Who is to say that if alot of African-Americans move to Alpharetta the area will become crime-infested? It has happened before, but look at Cascade Heights in Atlanta. Cascade Heights used to be predominantly White in the 1960's. Practices such as blockbusting were used. This is where you convince a certain demographic to leave, citing "fear of another demographic moving in", fraudulent or not. Many African-Americans sought to live in Cascade Heights. This scared many White residents living in southwest Atlanta. Former mayor Ivan Allen authorized the building of a concrete barrier to cut off Cascade Heights from Peyton Road, where many of the prospective Black home seekers were drive on from Gordon Road. The wall was ruled unconstitutional and torn down. Cascade Heights became predominantly Black and affluent, and a nice place to live. In fact, it is been described as being like Alpharetta. A friend of my told me that the only difference between Alpharetta and Cascade Heights is that Cascade Heights is predominantly Black and Alpharetta is predominantly White. Who is to say Alpharetta will turn into a warzone if alot of African-Americans move in?
"metro Atlanta is one of the least segregated areas I have ever seen" --> This is SOOO not true!!! Atlanta is one of the most segregated major cities in the US regarding black & white if not the most!!! Sure there are some other ethnic groups that live around everywhere but Black and White people in Atlanta are segregated.
Good Diverse areas - Lawrenceville, Decatur, Norcross, douglasville, Stockbridge
Mostly Black - Atlanta (city), Stone Mountain, college park, east point, South cobb, riverdale, Conyers, Ellenwood, Jonesboro
Mostly White - Fayetteville, Kennesaw, Canton, Acworth, Alpharetta, East Cobb, Roswell, Cumming, Suwanee, Snellville, Lilburn, Buford, Dacula, Grayson, John's Creek, Sugar Hill, Peachtree City...
Who is to say that if alot of African-Americans move to Alpharetta the area will become crime-infested? It has happened before, but look at Cascade Heights in Atlanta. Cascade Heights used to be predominantly White in the 1960's. Practices such as blockbusting were used. This is where you convince a certain demographic to leave, citing "fear of another demographic moving in", fraudulent or not. Many African-Americans sought to live in Cascade Heights. This scared many White residents living in southwest Atlanta. Former mayor Ivan Allen authorized the building of a concrete barrier to cut off Cascade Heights from Peyton Road, where many of the prospective Black home seekers were drive on from Gordon Road. The wall was ruled unconstitutional and torn down. Cascade Heights became predominantly Black and affluent, and a nice place to live. In fact, it is been described as being like Alpharetta. A friend of my told me that the only difference between Alpharetta and Cascade Heights is that Cascade Heights is predominantly Black and Alpharetta is predominantly White. Who is to say Alpharetta will turn into a warzone if alot of African-Americans move in?
Cascade Heights is only comparable to Alpharetta in terms of the prices of some of the homes. The BIG difference is that EVERYTHING surrounding Alpharetta is affluent or atleast upper middle class. Most if not all the areas surrounding Cascade are run down. Can you say Fulton Industrial Blvd to the east or Bankhead to the north. What about MLK? Nothing like that is anywhere near North Fulton.
"metro Atlanta is one of the least segregated areas I have ever seen" --> This is SOOO not true!!! Atlanta is one of the most segregated major cities in the US regarding black & white if not the most!!! Sure there are some other ethnic groups that live around everywhere but Black and White people in Atlanta are segregated.
Good Diverse areas - Lawrenceville, Decatur, Norcross, douglasville, Stockbridge
Mostly Black - Atlanta (city), Stone Mountain, college park, east point, South cobb, riverdale, Conyers, Ellenwood, Jonesboro
Mostly White - Fayetteville, Kennesaw, Canton, Acworth, Alpharetta, East Cobb, Roswell, Cumming, Suwanee, Snellville, Lilburn, Buford, Dacula, Grayson, John's Creek, Sugar Hill, Peachtree City...
Your mostly white areas are subjective. Sure they may be majority white but some are only white by a little over 50%. Snellville, Fayetteville & Lilburn come to mind. Also some of those areas have majority minority schools. Definetely Lilburn and Snellville.
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Mostly Black - Atlanta (city), Stone Mountain, college park, east point, South cobb, riverdale, Conyers, Ellenwood, Jonesboro
Must be southernmost Cobb. I live a mile or south of the East/West Connector, and the 2008 stats for Mableton say the following:
# White alone - 14,990 (44.2%)
# Black alone - 13,335 (39.3%)
# Hispanic - 4,396 (13.0%)
# Asian alone - 782 (2.3%)
# Two or more races - 253 (0.7%)
# Other race alone - 93 (0.3%)
# American Indian alone - 52 (0.2%
Cascade Heights is only comparable to Alpharetta in terms of the prices of some of the homes. The BIG difference is that EVERYTHING surrounding Alpharetta is affluent or atleast upper middle class. Most if not all the areas surrounding Cascade are run down. Can you say Fulton Industrial Blvd to the east or Bankhead to the north. What about MLK? Nothing like that is anywhere near North Fulton.
Even if it is surrounded by bad areas, Cascade Heights is still an example of a neighborhood that is predominantly Black and isn't a warzone or having major issues. The neighborhoods surrounding Cascade might be bad, but Cascade itself is a nice area. There is also another wealthy, predominantly Black area next to Cascade, and that is Collier Heights.
"metro Atlanta is one of the least segregated areas I have ever seen" --> This is SOOO not true!!! Atlanta is one of the most segregated major cities in the US regarding black & white if not the most!!! Sure there are some other ethnic groups that live around everywhere but Black and White people in Atlanta are segregated.
Good Diverse areas - Lawrenceville, Decatur, Norcross, douglasville, Stockbridge
Mostly Black - Atlanta (city), Stone Mountain, college park, east point, South cobb, riverdale, Conyers, Ellenwood, Jonesboro
Mostly White - Fayetteville, Kennesaw, Canton, Acworth, Alpharetta, East Cobb, Roswell, Cumming, Suwanee, Snellville, Lilburn, Buford, Dacula, Grayson, John's Creek, Sugar Hill, Peachtree City...
All American cities are highly segregated. The fact that we have integrated communities based on similar economic demographics (meaning not counting whites moving into minority neighborhoods to gentrify) is a sign that Atlanta is integrating at a faster rate than other major cities in the country.
To add to your list of diverse areas: Central Cobb, Southwest Cobb, South Gwinnett, Central Dekalb, North Fayette County, and Douglas County. You can find a good mixture in all these areas.
Even though North Fulton is majority white, minorities are a good chunk of the population in the city of Johns Creek. Most have a SE Asian or Indian background but diversity is not just white and black. Even though North Fulton is traditionally white, its not like Black families are afraid to move there and the apartment complexes have already gone to minorities (Roswell-Hispanics, Alpharetta and Milton-Indians). Similar trends are happening all over the metro. The change will be more noticable once the housing market recovers and people are more easily able to get loans to buy homes again.
Home prices in Alpharetta as a whole are not that high either. Even before the recession one cound find a 4 bedroom, 3 bath house in a nice subdivision and good schools for under $250,000. That's comparable to any other city in the metro(some with way worse schools). It's higher price per sqaure footage that keeps minorites out (i.e. Dunwoody Panhandle). Many minorites who move into historically white communities are newly working class and middle class and tend to want a home or a rental that gives them the most bang for their buck so they can feel their new econmic status. This is why working class and lower income white communities went to the minorites and communities like Buckhead have been able to stay lily white over the last few decades.
Segregation has been an American institution for quite sometime. The laws changed less than 50 years ago. It's going to take a long time to get both Blacks and Whites to have the desire to integrate on a more widespread basis. Whites arent the only ones who are guilty of preferring segregated neighborhoods. Otherwise the Blacks who live in their affluent communities in South Dekalb, North Fayette and Southwest Fulton would have automatically moved to Buckhead or North Fulton instead of creating their own communities from scratch (and still building them up to be as good as their white counterparts).
Overall I think Atlanta is much more willing to integrate than most major American cities. As everyone who has lived here for a while knows, nowadays its class not race that you should be concerned about on the integration matter. Class, among Blacks and whites, is a major determining factor for the demograpic shifts we will see occur over the course of this present decade.
Even if it is surrounded by bad areas, Cascade Heights is still an example of a neighborhood that is predominantly Black and isn't a warzone or having major issues. The neighborhoods surrounding Cascade might be bad, but Cascade itself is a nice area. There is also another wealthy, predominantly Black area next to Cascade, and that is Collier Heights.
And to the west of Cascade, Sandtown...which has kind of replaced Cascade to a certain degree for the affluent Blacks who want to live on that side of town. Blacks are guilty of the same things whites are. Sandtown exploded to get away from the urban demographic so close to Cascade Road. Marta busses do not run into Sandtown. No apartment complexes. Once again, class, not race.
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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All American cities are highly segregated. The fact that we have integrated communities based on similar economic demographics (meaning not counting whites moving into minority neighborhoods to gentrify) is a sign that Atlanta is integrating at a faster rate than other major cities in the country.
Compare the Atlanta metro to the Twin Cities. You will see a difference, no doubt in part because the Atlanta metro has far more black residents, but also in part because the Atlanta metro is more diverse economically on both the high and low end than the Twin Cities is. There are segregated communities in the Twin Cities, but I think most of those are new immigrants (Hmong, Somali, etc.) and not folks born in the US.
You also don't see the concept of "subdivision" much in the Twin Cities .. that seems limited to some of the newer 3rd and 4th-ring suburbs.
It's dangerous to generalize ... there are almost always exceptions.
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