Is Atlanta segregated? (Decatur, Snellville, Druid Hills: apartments, home, tenants)

[SAAN]

Atlanta is very segregated. Sure you can name some areas where black, whites, hispanics, and asians live together like Gwinett, some of Cobb, and Northern Dekalb area near I85.

But after living in Stone Mountain for 20 yrs, many whites in Atlanta do not want to live around blacks, its sad but true. I watched South Dekalb basically pick up and move to Snellville and everything on Memorial Drive closed. The when blacks started moving to Snellville, Whites started moving further east to Loganville and I started to see many businesses and car dealer ships on the Memoria Dr & 78 close and start moving to the HWY 124 area. Many moved to Rockdale as well. Same with Clayton county as well too before the 5th runway was built, Riverdale was actually pretty nice. This is why ATL has traffic issues as everyone flooded 20-30 miles outside of the city and all clog up the roads trying to get back in in the mornings and out in the evenings.

But we can thank the city of Atlanta for closing the housing prohjects and giving vouchers to the tenants to go and move to the suburbs and destroy Riverdale, Stn Mtn, Lithonia,Decatur , and some of Snellville too. Many of these areas didnt have all the crime problems until these projects closed.

But anywhere in America you go its going to be a Black, White, Asisan, Hispanic areas, and some areas where everyone lives.

[cqholt]

But we can thank the city of Atlanta for closing the housing prohjects and giving vouchers to the tenants to go and move to the suburbs and destroy Riverdale, Stn Mtn, Lithonia,Decatur , and some of Snellville too. Many of these areas didnt have all the crime problems until these projects closed.

Shouldn't poor families get the same thing that most Americans want? Good schools, green grass, and not living in a failed public policy that grouped all poor people together in massive housing projects.
The answer is not to concentrate poor people in areas, but to spread out the income levels and create areas with mixed social-economic levels.

[SAAN]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Shouldn't poor families get the same thing that most Americans want? Good schools, green grass, and not living in a failed public policy that grouped all poor people together in massive housing projects.
The answer is not to concentrate poor people in areas, but to spread out the income levels and create areas with mixed social-economic levels.

Yes they deserve better opportunities, but they dont need to bring the hood behavior with them.

Explain how Hidden Hills in Stn Mtn goes from a premier place to live at one time to a place with many burglaries and giant drug bed at one time and I could list many other neighbor hoods that went through this as well.

I have seen with my own eyes my former neighborhood change and people walking down the street, throwing trash wherever it needs to land, graffiti, robberies, burglaires, gangs....pretty much everything that was going on in their former projects they brought to the suburbs. It was the same thing over and over... im from: Carver Homes, Grady Homes, Techwood, Bankhead, etc.

So while im all for new and better opportunities to try to make a better living, bringing the behavior you had with you is what im against. It amazes mt how 8-10 house of bad people can make like in a subdivision of 150+ house torture.

[ericsonga]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Shouldn't poor families get the same thing that most Americans want? Good schools, green grass, and not living in a failed public policy that grouped all poor people together in massive housing projects.
The answer is not to concentrate poor people in areas, but to spread out the income levels and create areas with mixed social-economic levels.

These things are great in theory. However, it rarely works that way in reality.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by SAAN

Yes they deserve better opportunities, but they dont need to bring the hood behavior with them.

Explain how Hidden Hills in Stn Mtn goes from a premier place to live at one time to a place with many burglaries and giant drug bed at one time and I could list many other neighbor hoods that went through this as well.

I have seen with my own eyes my former neighborhood change and people walking down the street, throwing trash wherever it needs to land, graffiti, robberies, burglaires, gangs....pretty much everything that was going on in their former projects they brought to the suburbs. It was the same thing over and over... im from: Carver Homes, Grady Homes, Techwood, Bankhead, etc.

So while im all for new and better opportunities to try to make a better living, bringing the behavior you had with you is what im against. It amazes mt how 8-10 house of bad people can make like in a subdivision of 150+ house torture.

The current generation has no hope, but the change can be made with the younger generations. By having them grow up with decent educations and seeing positive things, we can maybe end this cycle.

[GeorgiaLakeSearch]

Originally Posted by cqholt

The current generation has no hope, but the change can be made with the younger generations. By having them grow up with decent educations and seeing positive things, we can maybe end this cycle.

Saan just pointed out they bring their behavior from where they come from. So it probably won't change. Look at what happened to Clayton County. Look at how much better CoA is.

[GeorgiaLakeSearch]

Originally Posted by cqholt

Shouldn't poor families get the same thing that most Americans want? Good schools, green grass, and not living in a failed public policy that grouped all poor people together in massive housing projects.
The answer is not to concentrate poor people in areas, but to spread out the income levels and create areas with mixed social-economic levels.

They concentrate themselves with their behavior. People will not spend 500k to live next to a welfare recipient. Do I want people from the trailer park on my block? No thanks.

[cqholt]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaLakeSearch

Saan just pointed out they bring their behavior from where they come from. So it probably won't change. Look at what happened to Clayton County. Look at how much better CoA is.

Then the cycle will just keep repeating itself, are ok with that? We have an obligation as society to help those in need get a better life. Obviously you have never or known anyone to get government assistance.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by SAAN

But we can thank the city of Atlanta for closing the housing prohjects and giving vouchers to the tenants to go and move to the suburbs and destroy Riverdale, Stn Mtn, Lithonia,Decatur , and some of Snellville too. Many of these areas didnt have all the crime problems until these projects closed.

So the city of Atlanta was supposed to maintain the housing projects in perpetuity in order to protect the suburbs from crime?

What other burdens should the city of Atlanta shoulder in order to protect the suburbs? And why do the suburbs get a pass?

[atlantagreg30127]

One example of what some might be saying:

Powder Springs (West Cobb): The McEachern High School district was once considered an optimal school to go to. Larger, almost like a small college campus, excellent teachers, and an extremely low "incidence rate" of problems. People would actually move to the district so their kids could go there even if it mean Mom and/or Dad had to gain much longer work commutes.

When as someone called it "The Voucher Program" began to take place in Atlanta just before the Olympics, some inner city families (predominately black) took advantage of it and moved out to the McEachern area because trying to be good parents, they wanted to get their kids away from the bad environment and schools in their neighborhood. It worked at first, but as more and more people got the same idea, their transplant kids started forming self-segregated "gangs" (not literally gangs as many of us define them, but closed-groups of kids who resisted their new environment). Once the larger groups of kids grew larger, problems began, fighting and overall bad incidences increased, some of the award winning teachers left and transferred to other metro schools, etc. Through a lot of time and maneuvering, local parents (predominately white) got the Hillgrove district approved just North of the McEachern area - a new High School was built, and older established families in that area yanked their kids out and moved a few miles North to the new school district.

So a school that was once diverse has a somewhat sudden and large demographic shift, and the few kids who originally came out to get away from bad environments were joined by hundreds of other kids who came from the same environment, cause a re-creation of the environment their parents had tried to get them away from to begin with. Add the more recent trend of home owners not being able to sell their homes and signing up to rent them out to Section 8 tenants in this and other similar areas, and you increase the one-way migration, and poof - you have a segregated area. This is just an example of one area, but in varying ways, with varying demographics, this scene has played out in multiple areas throughout metro Atlanta over the last couple of decades.

As has been repeated already, EVERY city large and small has some level of segregation. Some of it is old school prejudice that makes it that way, other times it's one or more groups of people who "self-segregate" by choice. Either way, it's certainly not just something you just see here, just in the South, or just in the U.S. by any means.

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Side Note: It should be noted that the City of Atlanta did not dismantle
the projects in order to help the citizens that lived within those projects.
We were awarded the Olympics. They simple did not want the poor and
blighted areas shown on world TV - image was everything, as before this,
Atlanta was a growing city, but not "a world name" yet. So their intentions
were to simply "scatter the problem" instead of fixing it or addressing the
help the people truly need. They used the "out of sight, out of mind" approach
instead. I'm saying this because at the time I knew more than one person
who actually worked with the city and development of venues for the games
and it wasn't really THAT much of secret at the time.
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