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Old 06-15-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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I don't know, I really don't know why you think that strip club and nightlife patrons are mostly suburban.

I frequented these types of establishments all the time (not strip clubs, bars and clubs) when I lived intown. Now that I live in the suburbs, I keep to myself a lot more.

Intown is where the young and single live. That's why nightlife belongs in the city.
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Old 06-15-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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I don't know, I really don't know why you think that strip club and nightlife patrons are mostly suburban.
Count the tags in the parking lot or talk to the club owners. The patrons, especially those who frequent the strip clubs, are not the residents in the surrounding neighborhoods. They're mainly people who live elsewhere but cruise in to carouse in somebody else's neighborhood, and then retreat back to their homes somewhere else.

Young intown hipsters may go to the Clermont because it is goofy and offbeat, but it's obviously not a hardcore strip club.
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Old 06-15-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: The big blue yonder...
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I always felt like the Westin Peachtree was that.
How?
Many other cities have towers similar. It's not THAT unique.
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Old 06-15-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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Strip clubs....I don't know. I really don't know much about the clientele of those places.

But bars and clubs are mostly intown residents, in my experience, which I think is more recent than yours. Just look at all the people who specifically choose places to live so they can walk to bars or take short rides there. Not all intown residents are old fogeys like you who move in and then want all of the establishments that built the neighborhood in the first place shut down!



Anyway, the other reason we need an intown designated nightlife district is so visitors to the city know where to go. Back in the day, conventioneers knew just to go to Buckhead. They didn't have to know where to go specifically, they just took cabs to the village and figured it out. Nowadays, I don't know where they go. I guess they have to figure out which specific place they want to visit. If there was a place with tons of nightlife in a single area, instead of saying "I went to Atlanta and it was boring as hell," they will start saying, "I went to Atlanta, and what an awesome party city! I can't wait to come back!"

A place like Underground and the surrounding area would be perfect. Too bad the city has proven again and again that it is completely incapable of making Underground a place that anybody would ever want to go.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:36 PM
 
Location: morningside, atlanta
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I always felt like the Westin Peachtree was that.
it sort of would except that the central tower of the renaissance center in detroit is almost the exact same, is the same height and general design, and stands out more. (considering it's the tallest)

i want some kind of urban waterfront, whether it's the daylighting of proctor creek, or (in a million years) some sort of lake/lake system in place of the connector downtown. yes, i do realize how unrealistic i appear, but clearly i'm not the first one to think of it, nor has something similar never been attempted previously.
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Old 06-21-2013, 11:38 AM
 
Location: ITP
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I would designate the Fulton Industrial Boulevard corridor as a strip for casinos because of the following reasons:
  • Casinos on FIB would have minimum impact on existing neighborhoods.
  • Because many of the land uses in the corridor are older industrial uses, land would be cheap.
  • It's not too far from Hartsfield - which is straight down the Perimeter or Camp Creek Parkway from FIB. Passengers with long layovers in Atlanta can have easy access to the corridor via shuttle service.
  • High rollers can fly in and out of Charlie Brown Field, which is right on FIB.
  • IT WOULD BE A BIG MONEY MAKER. The only casino within a four hour radius is Harrah's Cherokee casino - meaning that casinos on FIB could pull in visitors from all over Georgia, Eastern Tennessee, Alabama and the Carolinas.
  • It would help to revitalize the west side by bringing jobs and creating an activity center.

Thoughts?
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: East Atlanta
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I would designate the Fulton Industrial Boulevard corridor as a strip for casinos because of the following reasons:
  • Casinos on FIB would have minimum impact on existing neighborhoods.
  • Because many of the land uses in the corridor are older industrial uses, land would be cheap.
  • It's not too far from Hartsfield - which is straight down the Perimeter or Camp Creek Parkway from FIB. Passengers with long layovers in Atlanta can have easy access to the corridor via shuttle service.
  • High rollers can fly in and out of Charlie Brown Field, which is right on FIB.
  • IT WOULD BE A BIG MONEY MAKER. The only casino within a four hour radius is Harrah's Cherokee casino - meaning that casinos on FIB could pull in visitors from all over Georgia, Eastern Tennessee, Alabama and the Carolinas.
  • It would help to revitalize the west side by bringing jobs and creating an activity center.

Thoughts?
I like it. It ain't gonna fly, but I like the idea. I grew up in Douglasville, so Fulton Industrial was always like the last scuzzy area before you got home. That place needs a big shot in the arm. But that being said, they'd have to do something about the smell before people will want to go hang out there. You can smell the Chattahoochee and the mills over there from space, especially at night. It may be good for attracting the D'ville rednecks that frequent Fannie's and Riley's (guilty), but I don't know if old ladies are gonna go camp out at the slot machines in that area just yet.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:03 PM
 
Location: East Atlanta
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Also, for some reason, the river doesn't smell quite as awful from Six Flags. I've never understood that.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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it sort of would except that the central tower of the renaissance center in detroit is almost the exact same, is the same height and general design, and stands out more. (considering it's the tallest)

i want some kind of urban waterfront, whether it's the daylighting of proctor creek, or (in a million years) some sort of lake/lake system in place of the connector downtown. yes, i do realize how unrealistic i appear, but clearly i'm not the first one to think of it, nor has something similar never been attempted previously.
It is astounding the difference this made in downtown Seoul. However, the one difference is that Atlanta would have to cover a road with a river. In Seoul, they actually covered the existing river with a road and recently removed the road. They already had the water. Maybe just cap off the connector and build a park on top.
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Old 06-21-2013, 12:21 PM
 
Location: ITP
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I like it. It ain't gonna fly, but I like the idea. I grew up in Douglasville, so Fulton Industrial was always like the last scuzzy area before you got home. That place needs a big shot in the arm. But that being said, they'd have to do something about the smell before people will want to go hang out there. You can smell the Chattahoochee and the mills over there from space, especially at night. It may be good for attracting the D'ville rednecks that frequent Fannie's and Riley's (guilty), but I don't know if old ladies are gonna go camp out at the slot machines in that area just yet.
I hear you, but the Vegas Strip was nothing but desert and tumbleweeds 40 years ago and now look at it. The same goes for other places, such as the Hollywood Hard Rock Casino in Florida. Casinos tend to be built in the least desirable places due to cheap land and minimum impacts on the surrounding community.

The advantage that Fulton Industrial has is that it's situated in an area that is well served by infrastructure - I-285, I-20, Charlie Brown Field, Hartsfield-Jackson Int'l - which makes it quite accessible. I strongly believe that casinos could be the "shot in the arm" that the corridor needs.
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