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Old 08-25-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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And why do you think developers are willing to pay so much for the land to build apartments in Buckhead? Because people want to live near where they work / play.

People coming in from out of town are more likely to take transit or get a hotel near Lenox / Phipps.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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Yep, because why would you pay the extra cost to live near where you work and play like people have done for millennia when you can use free super highways, parking, subsidized gas and transit to come in from far away. This apartment complex is just one sign of many that people are starting to shift back and be "locals" again instead of commuters.
I'm okay with the new apartments as long as they are well done. Even if they were all built they won't add that much traffic.

What's clobbering the Lenox area isn't the locals, however, but the hordes of people coming in from other areas. Unfortunately most of these out-of-area drivers simply refuse to take transit, even though it's sitting right there.

But that's Atlanta (and most other US cities) for you. People holler for transit but they don't want to mess with it themselves.

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Old 08-25-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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And why do you think developers are willing to pay so much for the land to build apartments in Buckhead? Because people want to live near where they work / play.

People coming in from out of town are more likely to take transit or get a hotel near Lenox / Phipps.
I wonder how many apartment renters work in Buckhead (no doiubt many play there) It would be an interesting data point.

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I'm okay with the new apartments as long as they are well done. Even if they were all built they won't add that much traffic.

What's clobbering the Lenox area isn't the locals, however, but the hordes of people coming in from other areas. Unfortunately most of these out-of-area drivers simply refuse to take transit, even though it's sitting right there.

But that's Atlanta (and most other US cities) for you. People holler for transit but they don't want to mess with it themselves.

Why do you think that 2500 apartments won't add that much traffic? Atlanta (and its residents) are pretty car centric and I am guessing that with the high rents will come car owners. If they can easily walk to work or take MARTA, then they might, but I am guessing they will use their cars plenty.

I also wonder why you think so many folks are hollering for transit. Part of the reason T-SPLOST failed, I think, was the number of voters who thought to much was being spent on transit and not enough on road projects. Most people don't envision using MARTA on a daily basis, even if it was available for their commute.
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Old 08-25-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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I wonder how many apartment renters work in Buckhead (no doiubt many play there) It would be an interesting data point.
Not very many!
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Why do you think that 2500 apartments won't add that much traffic? Atlanta (and its residents) are pretty car centric and I am guessing that with the high rents will come car owners. If they can easily walk to work or take MARTA, then they might, but I am guessing they will use their cars plenty.
Oh, there will be some impact but not an Armageddon. For one thing, it's unlikely that all 2500 apartments will actually be built.

Even if they are built there would still be very low residential density in that area. What's creating their traffic headaches is all the shoppers and commuters from outside. They simply won't take transit even though it's staring them in the face.
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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Not very many!
Source? I lived in a couple apartments in Buckhead when I worked there. Most people in the building seemed to work around the area. A few I know took the train to Midtown or Downtown. One guy worked in perimeter but they all were always was out around Buckhead so that is why they choose to live there.

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Why do you think that 2500 apartments won't add that much traffic? Atlanta (and its residents) are pretty car centric and I am guessing that with the high rents will come car owners. If they can easily walk to work or take MARTA, then they might, but I am guessing they will use their cars plenty.

I also wonder why you think so many folks are hollering for transit. Part of the reason T-SPLOST failed, I think, was the number of voters who thought to much was being spent on transit and not enough on road projects. Most people don't envision using MARTA on a daily basis, even if it was available for their commute.
Here is the thing, if you make roads free people will come and fill them up until the time spent in traffic "costs" too much. This is why we need more HOT and toll roads. You want less traffic, make people pay for the roads they drive on and price it higher during congestion. Use that money to pay for bottle neck improvements. Do the same thing with transit.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:25 AM
 
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Official: Apartment Tsunami Will Agitate Buckhead Traffic - Development du Jour - Curbed Atlanta
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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I think that is just the author of the original article being cited as an "Official".

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Gordon Certain, the president of the North Buckhead Civic Association, is also an engineer—not a traffic engineer he is quick to say...
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:39 PM
 
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Source? I lived in a couple apartments in Buckhead when I worked there. Most people in the building seemed to work around the area. A few I know took the train to Midtown or Downtown. One guy worked in perimeter but they all were always was out around Buckhead so that is why they choose to live there.
I'm using the census data, which indicates that around 8-9% of the people who live in the area work there.

That's not unusual -- I think the number is about 10% for Midtown, 13% for downtown, and about 8% for Perimeter. We're just a spread out town.

Of course this is just for work. Local residents still go to grocery stores, restaurants, schools, churches, etc.
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Old 08-28-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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I think that is just the author of the original article being cited as an "Official".
That is a pretty low density residential area compared to many other 'hoods around town.

East Cobb it is not, but to be smack dab in the middle of town it is not bad.


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Old 08-28-2013, 01:55 PM
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Can anybody tell me what is ACA school on the map?
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