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Old 06-07-2018, 03:24 PM
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Something seriously needs to be done in that direction. It aggrevates the heck out of me that they neglect that corridor with such extremity when it clearly needs attention. I remember when there was talk of adding HOV lanes and the reconstruction of the Lithonia Industrial Blvd & Evens Mill Rd imterchanges and they even widened the new overpasses like they were really going to widen the highway and after that...they upgraded the I-285 / I-20 interchange (which was much needed) and just forgot about I-20... Honestly I-20 seems like the most forsaken interstate in the metro both in terms of lanes and transit options.
I don't remember what they did, but there was a lot of construction outside 285 a couple of years ago. I remember frequently being caught in it.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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As was posted in another thread, it appears from this move that extending the Red Line north along GA 400 is dead.

Now there will be some sort of cheap bus, running in HOT Lanes that has to mix with traffic to exit or just simply point-to-point express buses along the corridor.
https://www.myajc.com/blog/commuting...bnEdLAaX65lmN/
Unbelievable. I hope the North Fulton voters see this proposal for what it is--another barrier to rail expansion--and vote down this joke of a proposal in November.

Meanwhile, Perimeter Center and its fully functional rail line continues to boom.
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Old 06-07-2018, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Unbelievable. I hope the North Fulton voters see this proposal for what it is--another barrier to rail expansion--and vote down this joke of a proposal in November.

Meanwhile, Perimeter Center and its fully functional rail line continues to boom.
PC's rail connection doesn't have much to do with its progress. The vast majority of PC employees are going to be coming down I-75 from Cobb (no real transit), down I-85 from Gwinnett (no real transit) and down GA-400 from N. Fulton. GA-400 does have some form of transit up it, but they're buses that sit in the same traffic, and two miles of rail from North Springs to Dunwoody. Not many people coming down 400 are going to pay $85+ per month to ride a bus to transfer to a train to go 2 more miles. That's like how the State Farm building is advertised as being "transit connected." yes, it's technically true, but realistically, it's not. Maybe a few people come up from in-town to PC, but that number pales in comparison to the number coming down from Cobb, Gwinnett and N. Fulton. Get rail up 400, then get rail out to Cumberland and Doraville from PC, THEN it will be transit connected with transit-fueled growth.
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Old 06-08-2018, 12:44 AM
 
Location: atlanta
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Unbelievable. I hope the North Fulton voters see this proposal for what it is--another barrier to rail expansion--and vote down this joke of a proposal in November.

Meanwhile, Perimeter Center and its fully functional rail line continues to boom.

is it going up to a vote?
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Old 06-08-2018, 12:59 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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PC's rail connection doesn't have much to do with its progress.
Not directly, but transit connection is definitely a selling point for incoming corporations. You should take a look at the upcoming plans for the area--they are impressive. You think it's any coincidence that State Farm simply moved next-door, even closer to the Dunwoody station, and Arby's has its world headquarters right across the street from the Sandy Springs station?
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Not directly, but transit connection is definitely a selling point for incoming corporations. You should take a look at the upcoming plans for the area--they are impressive. You think it's any coincidence that State Farm simply moved next-door, even closer to the Dunwoody station, and Arby's has its world headquarters right across the street from the Sandy Springs station?
Did you even read what I wrote??? PC may technically be "transit connected" but practically speaking, that has a very very small impact.
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Old 06-08-2018, 05:28 AM
 
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Both-managed lanes and Red line extension. Don't believe both happen.
You're probably right, unfortunately. I just hope MARTA can preserve some ROW for the future possibility. I'm tired of the "planners" (and it's usually the politicians rather than the actual civic employees) doing things in a way that intentionally eliminates any possibility of projects that we all know might be needed, even if it is 30-40 years from now.
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Old 06-08-2018, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Something seriously needs to be done in that direction. It aggrevates the heck out of me that they neglect that corridor with such extremity when it clearly needs attention. I remember when there was talk of adding HOV lanes and the reconstruction of the Lithonia Industrial Blvd & Evens Mill Rd imterchanges and they even widened the new overpasses like they were really going to widen the highway and after that...they upgraded the I-285 / I-20 interchange (which was much needed) and just forgot about I-20... Honestly I-20 seems like the most forsaken interstate in the metro both in terms of lanes and transit options.
I-20 East and West are middle income areas, therefore do not have the political pull that the Northern Arc does. Also, I-20 East is majority African American voters and democrats, so the republican led state government is not going to throw them a bone.

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PC's rail connection doesn't have much to do with its progress. The vast majority of PC employees are going to be coming down I-75 from Cobb (no real transit), down I-85 from Gwinnett (no real transit) and down GA-400 from N. Fulton. GA-400 does have some form of transit up it, but they're buses that sit in the same traffic, and two miles of rail from North Springs to Dunwoody. Not many people coming down 400 are going to pay $85+ per month to ride a bus to transfer to a train to go 2 more miles. That's like how the State Farm building is advertised as being "transit connected." yes, it's technically true, but realistically, it's not. Maybe a few people come up from in-town to PC, but that number pales in comparison to the number coming down from Cobb, Gwinnett and N. Fulton. Get rail up 400, then get rail out to Cumberland and Doraville from PC, THEN it will be transit connected with transit-fueled growth.
Even more reason to build NW and NE transit lines and connect them via Top End.
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Did you even read what I wrote??? PC may technically be "transit connected" but practically speaking, that has a very very small impact.
I worked at the Bank of America Plaza in front of North Avenue station, just below Midtown station, and I think I read somewhere that half of the workers at BoA Plaza got to work by train. Certainly, going to and home from work, I would see lots of attorneys for the firm I worked at, lots of coworkers.
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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PC's rail connection doesn't have much to do with its progress. The vast majority of PC employees are going to be coming down I-75 from Cobb (no real transit), down I-85 from Gwinnett (no real transit) and down GA-400 from N. Fulton.
I couldn't find any hard numbers for Perimeter, but here's some for Midtown.

https://www.midtownatl.com/_files/do...-web-ready.pdf
For people that commute to Midtown, only 61% drive alone. The rest use alternate transportation (12% MARTA rail, 7% bus).

https://www.atlantadowntown.com/_fil...survey-vf1.pdf
For people that commute to Downtown, only 54% drive alone. 11% take MARTA bus, 7% take Marta train, 5% take GRTA/Express, 12% Carpool or Vanpool.

I went to Perimeter yesterday from Buckhead, and Perimeter was a complete mess in the afternoon. Instead of taking a left as expected, Google Maps sent me right and went in a big circle to get to the mall. Perimeter needs all the alternate forms of transportation it can get. Just because things are close or fine now doesn't mean they will stay that way.
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