How come Africans Americans do not Move to Canton (Atlanta: how much, house)

[otoatlanta]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

I'll tell you why there are few blacks in Cherokee County.

Point 1: Cherokee County is roughly 90% white. Ten years ago, it was about 98% white. If police would crack-down on the illegal alien problem, Cherokee County would easily be 96% white, even today. With few numbers of minorities, they're not as easily seeking out the place. After all, they want to be around their own. While minorities generally are attracted to majority white areas, they're not attracted to overwhelmingly white areas. Hence, they don't want to feel isolated, much like you claim that you feel.


Point 2: Cherokee County is at a minimum 30 miles from downtown Atlanta (Woodstock), and roughly 35 miles from downtown at Bridgemille. Parts of Canton are 40-43 miles from downtown Atlanta. With the distance being so great (let's be real here. Cherokee County is the farthest out-from the core area in metro Atlanta that is actually developed or developing (Henry, Newton, Coweta, and Fayette are close seconds). Most of the area between downtown Atlanta to Cherokee County is majority white. It is the whitest quadrant in metro Atlanta (The Northwest Quadrant). Thus, with such a distance from metro Atlanta, coupled with it being the highest white percentage quadrant of metro Atlanta, few minorities are making their way up there.

Point 3: Cherokee County wasn't developed very much ten to fifteen years ago. Only a few parts of Woodstock even looked suburban. However, characteristic of suburban growth, the county has exploded, all the way up to exit 20 (Riverstone Pkwy) on I-575. As usual with new suburban growth, much of it comes from whites who are fleeing diversifying areas closer to the city, or from whites who are moving from other areas of the country and who want to live in a nearly all-white area. It's completely natural and acceptable.


These are your namely three reasons why there are few blacks in Cherokee County. There are a few more than there used to be, but I wouldn't count on any large black population for at least thirty or forty years.

Around "their own". LOL. Oh gawd. What are we, a different species?? Please, don't answer. LOL. Minorities are NOT "generally attracted to majority white areas". Minorities, by definition, have NO CHOICE, but to live amongst the majority(who are currently white). Hello!

The reason the "northern", most rural, areas of states are often plagued with "racism" is because the people are more isolated. They have traditionally been more hostile to ANYONE they perceive to be "unlike" them. If it aint their own picture being reflected in the mirror, they begin to feel uneasy. Depending on how they were treated as children, this uneasiness can turn violent. We've already had a discussion about how poor Southern children often get treated, so this explains the scapegoating which use to quite often lead to violence amongst the races. I think the problem is called narcissism, not racism; as this hostility towards those perceieved to be different plagues racially homogenous, culturally homogenous, and religiously homogenous areas.

Isolationism as a way of thinking is not remotely unique to "racist". Where racism fails to exist, because the area is racially homogenous; sexism and classism often have a strong presence. People make me laugh when they say that "diversity" is the problem with society. Issues between the sexes are often deeper than those between races. To eliminate all social issues, particularly personal violence(which, in the case of women, is almost always domestic) we should isolate all men and women from each other, and then further isolate by race, religion, culture, body shape(as to eliminate jealously), reproductive status,etc..Then, we can all live as intended: with our own kind. If that happened, the human race would die out in about a generation.

[rohlendorf]

I guess I don't understand racist attitudes. I don't understand the terminology "African American". Aren't those of us born in the USA, Americans? My heritage is German, should I be considered a German American? My skin happens to be white, yours may be brown, black, yellow, or purple. Does it really make any difference?

I think most of us are striving for the same things. A nice house, in a safe area, friendly neighbors, good schools etc... What does the color of one's skin have to do with our wants?

[btrfly414]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

Peachtree City isn't diverse, and why would you want it to be? Is there something wrong with it being predominately white? Why don't you mention predominately black areas that "need to diversify". Why is it always white communities, in the "diversity-for-diversity-sakes" crowd?

Based on what the original poster appears to be looking for P'tree City may be an option. Predominately black areas are not mentioned because the poster is clearly not looking for those. Why are some white communities usually desired when diversity is sought? Mostly due to socioeconomic reasons there are sometimes better school systems and lower crime in these areas.

There are black areas that need to diversify and I would be interested to see whites move to those areas. Let's be real, whites didn't start to "diversify" predominately black communities until said communities started to eliminate the majority ie. City of Decatur, Capital Ave., East Lake, Techwood, Grant Park. I'm sure at one time when these areas were first being "diversified" new residents would ask the question, "Why aren't more whites moving to the city?" People typically want to see a like face in their community. To each his own.

[DaddyO]

Originally Posted by rohlendorf

I guess I don't understand racist attitudes. I don't understand the terminology "African American". Aren't those of us born in the USA, Americans? My heritage is German, should I be considered a German American? My skin happens to be white, yours may be brown, black, yellow, or purple. Does it really make any difference?

I think most of us are striving for the same things. A nice house, in a safe area, friendly neighbors, good schools etc... What does the color of one's skin have to do with our wants?

As soon as you get back from Birkenstock shopping in/on Utopia, drop us a line. We'll be here.

Sincerely,


The United States of America

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by atlantagreg30127

(getting out the wet fish to slap you with, Monty Python style)

Heh. The Fish Dance has always been one of my favorite Python sketches. Short, but to the point.

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by otoatlanta

Around "their own". LOL. Oh gawd. What are we, a different species?? Please, don't answer. LOL. Minorities are NOT "generally attracted to majority white areas". Minorities, by definition, have NO CHOICE, but to live amongst the majority(who are currently white). Hello!

Have no choice? Are you serious? Last I saw, Lithonia is about 98% black. Other areas that are majority black are Stone Mountain, Clarkston, S. Decatur, S. Atlanta, College Park, East Point, Riverdale, Union City, and Morrow. There's plenty of diverse areas, or majority black areas in metro Atlanta. There is a choice. Hello!

The reason the "northern", most rural, areas of states are often plagued with "racism" is because the people are more isolated.

Many people who live up this way once lived in very diverse settings and didn't like it. I'm one of them. I had lived most of my life in the more diverse parts of metro Atlanta. If you like poor schools, poor aesthetics, little community activism, or an overall lack of "community", you can find it in a diverse area.

They have traditionally been more hostile to ANYONE they perceive to be "unlike" them.

Most of the "they" people in selected areas didn't live here ten years ago. Most are newcomers. So, in that case, who are you really referring to, other than perhaps a few longtimers. Even then, you're basing an opinion with no real data, other than perhaps a few biased perceptions.

If it aint their own picture being reflected in the mirror, they begin to feel uneasy.

You've talked to these people? However, people do generally prefer the company of those of their own race. The likeness, albeit similar physical attributes or culture, attracts people. All people groups do this. It is normal human social behavior and has been for thousands of years.

Depending on how they were treated as children, this uneasiness can turn violent. We've already had a discussion about how poor Southern children often get treated, so this explains the scapegoating which use to quite often lead to violence amongst the races.

What are you talking about? You're not making much sense, in my opinion. Treated as children? What does poor southern children have to do with "violence" towards other races? Please explain yourself a little better.

I think the problem is called narcissism, not racism; as this hostility towards those perceieved to be different plagues racially homogenous, culturally homogenous, and religiously homogenous areas.

Actually, racially homogeneous areas, in terms of white people, have the fewest racially aware whites. Most people in said areas have your mentality. It is in the diverse areas where people are less tolerant of differences. Think about history and where the squabbles take place: diverse areas/settings, not homogeneous.

Isolationism as a way of thinking is not remotely unique to "racist". Where racism fails to exist, because the area is racially homogenous; sexism and classism often have a strong presence. People make me laugh when they say that "diversity" is the problem with society. Issues between the sexes are often deeper than those between races. To eliminate all social issues, particularly personal violence(which, in the case of women, is almost always domestic) we should isolate all men and women from each other, and then further isolate by race, religion, culture, body shape(as to eliminate jealously), reproductive status,etc..Then, we can all live as intended: with our own kind. If that happened, the human race would die out in about a generation.

You changed your viewpoint on racially homogeneous areas being "racist". You yourself say in the above sentence, "where racism fails to exist, because the area is racially homogeneous; sexism and classism often have a strong presence". You yourself are saying that racism doesn't show its face in homogeneous areas. Doesn't this contradict your above statements.

Diversity breeds conflict. Differences always do. However, racially speaking, the differences exceed those of sex and gender. There is no better indicator of an area than race among various variables.

[otoatlanta]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

Have no choice? Are you serious? Last I saw, Lithonia is about 98% black. Other areas that are majority black are Stone Mountain, Clarkston, S. Decatur, S. Atlanta, College Park, East Point, Riverdale, Union City, and Morrow. There's plenty of diverse areas, or majority black areas in metro Atlanta. There is a choice. Hello!.

There is no choice. Blacks can isolate themselves into small neighborhoods throughout the country, but it will not negate the fact that they are living as racial minorities in this country. We can all "pretend", I suppose, but what's the point? When you're only 12% of the entire population, you are a minority, irrespective of where your house is.



Many people who live up this way once lived in very diverse settings and didn't like it. I'm one of them. I had lived most of my life in the more diverse parts of metro Atlanta. If you like poor schools, poor aesthetics, little community activism, or an overall lack of "community", you can find it in a diverse area.

What you likely don't like are the social consequences of the historic disease of power, control, and human resourced based capitalism which played itself out as "racism" in the South. Who does? You can run from it, but there is no escape from ignorance and violence..[/quote]

Once you have run away from the hostile, "diversified" blacks and whites of the South, you must then concern yourself with all of the countries in the world whom we are threatening and are threatening us, with war. On all levels, our quality of life is being threatened by those who insist on having power, control, and dominance over others. Until the issues are dealt with and resolved, through generations, this "curse" will continue to plague neighborhoods, counties, and the entire planet.


Most of the "they" people in selected areas didn't live here ten years ago. Most are newcomers. So, in that case, who are you really referring to, other than perhaps a few longtimers. Even then, you're basing an opinion with no real data, other than perhaps a few biased perceptions.

Historically rural areas have been considered racially homogenous, and diversity hostile. This isn't really an "opinion". The number of race related power based "organizations" is documented, and their numbers have historically existed heavily in rural areas, where people hardly had any contact with anyone other themselves in any case(meaning, their fears and hatred were largely unfounded). In the past few years, some of these rural areas have seen a heavy influx of people coming from other states and regions. You made the statement that the white people moving to these areas are intentionally looking to move near mostly other whites. I wouldn't doubt that that may be the case with some(isolationist DO still exist), but I highly doubt that it's the case with most. Of all the cities in the world, why would a white isolationist move to ATLANTA? Come on. The job market isn't that phenomenal.


You've talked to these people? However, people do generally prefer the company of those of their own race. The likeness, albeit similar physical attributes or culture, attracts people. All people groups do this. It is normal human social behavior and has been for thousands of years.

I lived among "those people" my entire life. Just like you have felt the heat of ignorance of the ghetto, so too have I felt the heat of the ignorance in the boons. Isolated people DO indeed prefer to be around those whom they PERCEIVE to look like themselves: even if that means that all they truly have in common regarding looks is a variation of the same skin shade. It has been proven that infants who are exposed to a particular "look" prefer that look over the look of others. This has been proven with whites, ethic Jews, black Ethiopians, and Chinese infants. Whatever ethnic group children are most familiar with, is the one they prefer(even if the preferred ethnic group is not their own). It goes without saying that most isolated children only get a chance to be familiar with those of their own race, own family even, and so they continue in their preference. What is "natural" then, is not a preference for one's own race, but a preference for what is familiar. This also applies to language. Most children prefer the language which is most familiar to them. The familiarity is the draw. Children raised with diversity, will find nothing unfamiliar or hostile about diversity. You can view one study on infants and "racial preferences", here: Lawrence Erlbaum Associates, Inc. - Error

What are you talking about? You're not making much sense, in my opinion. Treated as children? What does poor southern children have to do with "violence" towards other races? Please explain yourself a little better.

How one is treated as a child is closely related to how one treats others as an adult; even if at first, this is not so easily apparent. A large number of people of all races in this country are abused by their family members. In fact, most run ins with violence (under the age of 18) come directly from people who are our same race, because the violence typically occurs within families. With that in mind, it never ceases to amaze me how angry some people can get at those who they perceive to be a threat towards them. What about those who have shown through their direct actions towards you that they are indeed a threat: your mother, your father, your uncle, your grandfather, your preacher, your cousin, etc. There are very few of us who can say that we escaped childhood without interfamily abuse of some kind, be it sexual or physical. I can only imagine that the valid fear and anger of many in the form of sexism, racism and the like, is simply misdirected hatred against 'one's own'.



Actually, racially homogeneous areas, in terms of white people, have the fewest racially aware whites. Most people in said areas have your mentality. It is in the diverse areas where people are less tolerant of differences. Think about history and where the squabbles take place: diverse areas/settings, not homogeneous.

"Race" is about power, just like class. "Race" is the American caste system. In an all-white area, whites are not racially aware, because the system was created(by whites) to divide power amongst the people based on skin color. In areas where whites are not confronted with power divisions due to "diversity", racial awareness is irrelevant. The status quo is maintained. Many whites enjoy the status quo, and so they don't care about how it affects anyone else.

You mentioned history and squabbles being the result of "diversity". My question is, what KIND of diversity? Surely not racial diversity, as pre-colonialism(ie, before Europeans began to diversify the planet with their presence in all countries) wars existed, and they existed for reasons other than race. Ever heard of The Chinese Civil War? It lasted more than 2 decades in one of the most racially homogenous places on the planet. What about the English Civil Wars? What about the Irish Civil War, or the long standing Northern Irish Conflict which was not between race, or religion, but DENOMINATION of religion! Lordy! Let's also not forget the French Civil Wars, lasting on and off for about 40 years, (also fought about denomination). In the Middle East, wars have been carried out over religion, not race. So again, I offer my recommendation for world peace. All men of the same, religion, race, age, weight, height, eye color, hair color and texture, skin complexion, country, language, and socioeconomic group, stand alone in one corner of the world. And we will divide out the women and children the same way. Unfortunately, there will be no one to raise the children of this generation, as their parents will need to stand in seperate corners of the world, away from the children(who don't fall into the same age demographic as their parents). At least this will take care of the historic conflict between parent and child! All this time I was thinking it required effort, respect, patience, and skilled communication! I should've isolated myself from my family along time ago.

You changed your viewpoint on racially homogeneous areas being "racist". You yourself say in the above sentence, "where racism fails to exist, because the area is racially homogeneous; sexism and classism often have a strong presence". You yourself are saying that racism doesn't show its face in homogeneous areas. Doesn't this contradict your above statements.

OK, so I didn't phrase that clearly. Racism does exist in racially homogenous areas. Last I checked, white supremecist often live in racially homogenous compounds, isolated away from anyone who doesn't look like their own carbon copy. I am sure that supremecist blacks and Latinos do similar things. What I was intending to say was that, "when racism fails to exist within a group or community due to homogeniety, then sexism, classim and other -isms become more apparent."

Diversity breeds conflict. Differences always do. However, racially speaking, the differences exceed those of sex and gender. There is no better indicator of an area than race among various variables.


Race is not even a statiscally moving "difference" in humanity. Differences in the sexes run much deeper, genetically, and even culturally. Religious differences seem to be the most deadly of all. Economic differences are close behind. Nonetheless, all of these real and perceived "differences" are just means to an end for those who wish to use power and control over others in any way that they can.

[gt6974a]

Blacks will be a minority for a long time, Mexicans will definately surpass them in the next 20 years....

...since everyone blames the Whites, why don't we have a sticky that says 'White Republicans are racist, and responsible for not enough blacks(put in diversity here) living in any area in Georgia'

....it doesn't matter that there's just more 'Whites' its the fact the Whites haven't killed enough of their own to equal the 'Black' population....

....if you don't move there, it's not going to change...plain and simple...

[Scraper Enthusiast]

I'll try to address all of your points later, but for the mean time, take a look at the below-linked study. If what you say is correct, then this study below is contradictory to much of what you say. I believe it is contradictory because your opinions are based on a lot of Marxist-social philosophy, not real data or the real world, that is characteristic of many universities schools of anthropology and sociology.

People in Diverse areas less trusting of others
People in ethnically diverse area ‘less trusting of others’ - Times Online

[Jomaark]

When we moved here from NY, Canton felt too far out.We chose Alpharetta and chose our subdivision for it's diversity. From our house we can be in Atlanta in 30 minutes. I also like our area because when you go to North Point Mall and area restaurants we see more of a melting pot like we were used to in NY. We are moving to FL to be closer to elderly parents and our house is for sale. If interested please contact me for pics/info.