How come Africans Americans do not Move to Canton

[smp4180]

Originally Posted by Jomaark

When we moved here from NY, Canton felt too far out.We chose Alpharetta and chose our subdivision for it's diversity. From our house we can be in Atlanta in 30 minutes. I also like our area because when you go to North Point Mall and area restaurants we see more of a melting pot like we were used to in NY. We are moving to FL to be closer to elderly parents and our house is for sale. If interested please contact me for pics/info.

Thank you, you understand me coming from up north. email me with information

[IdaClaire]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

Question: What are the benefits of diversity?

I choose to live in a racially diverse community because I am a parent and I want my children to grow up prepared to deal with an increasingly diverse world. I work at a university and many of my co-workers are not only of other races- they are also from other countries. Those of us who were raised in diverse areas tend to have more cross-cultural experiences and tend to be able to navigate a cross-cultural work environment, and thus, tend to be promoted more.

I have no idea what the world will be like when my children grow up and I have no idea what line of work my children will choose, but I want to make sure that they have all the tools they need for success. Growing up around many different kinds of people is one way I can ensure that they are more sophisticated and worldly.

The US may be even more integrated and multicultural in another 20 years or so than it is now. Isolating my children in a suburb with all white, upper-middle class children is most likely not doing them any favors. They'll have a rude awakening when they venture outside our home.

So, are you telling me that whenever a person of another race moves into your neighborhood, you are unhappy about it?

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by IdaClaire

I choose to live in a racially diverse community because I am a parent and I want my children to grow up prepared to deal with an increasingly diverse world. I work at a university and many of my co-workers are not only of other races- they are also from other countries. Those of us who were raised in diverse areas tend to have more cross-cultural experiences and tend to be able to navigate a cross-cultural work environment, and thus, tend to be promoted more.

I have no idea what the world will be like when my children grow up and I have no idea what line of work my children will choose, but I want to make sure that they have all the tools they need for success. Growing up around many different kinds of people is one way I can ensure that they are more sophisticated and worldly.

The US may be even more integrated and multicultural in another 20 years or so than it is now. Isolating my children in a suburb with all white, upper-middle class children is most likely not doing them any favors. They'll have a rude awakening when they venture outside our home.

So, are you telling me that whenever a person of another race moves into your neighborhood, you are unhappy about it?

I understand that your point of view isn't really your own, but is one that has been repeated over and over by people who are simply repeating other individuals, that they've let themselves believe this.

Let me put this frankly. The United States will not survive with a non-white majority, at least not as a strong, unified country. It will be economically poor, not to mention have poor schools, low innovation, high crime, and poverty. All one has to do is face the facts. Look at most of the non-white world, save northeast Asia, home to people with IQs. It is depressingly poor, filled with slum, squalor, disease, famine, war, as well as poor housing codes, poor transportation networks, etc.

What's more, the U.S. will not be unified as a diverse country. Right now is about as diverse as it's going to get and still maintain any semblance of a nation, without much turmoil and poor race relations. These relations are becoming increasingly poor, and will only do so as the nation becomes more diverse. It is normal human social behavior to feel comfortable around those like themselves, regardless of whether the nation is very diverse. Look at Brazil. Even a diverse polygot of a nation such as Brazil has a high racial consciousness (though some deny it. I've known many Brazilians who confirm this). Throughout history, multi-racial empires have fallen from ethnical, racial, and cultural turmoil brought about by differences that strain economic, social, and cultural relations. What makes you think that it will be any different here. Do you not notice all the racial advocacy groups, such as the National Council of LaRaza, MALDEF, and MECHA (for Hispanics), as well as the NAACP, Black Legislative Caucus, etc. (for blacks)? Isn't the NAACP always in a rift over someone saying something on the radiio, or La Raza trying to use money to supercede and influence politicians not to enforce immigration policies, as well as to legalize illegals.

You think it is bad now, just wait for more of this diversity.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but a war has been waged on the white west. Look across the globe, and what nations are permitting their people to become a minority in their homelands? White Nations. Why? Marxist elements have infiltrated most levels of government, educational institutions (universities), and the media, and have used propaganda and brainwashing techniques to instill white guilt and/or multicultural ideas into the public at large. What's more, the propaganda and beliefs have given rise to opening up the west to the non-white world. Every year, the demographics of the west changes more and more. Crime rises, conflict ensues, and people are being displaced.

There comes a time when an individual has to be true to himself/herself and his/her people. As many have stated, white people are having our countries destroyed through immigration and non-enforcement of borders. Studies have been conducted that show that there will not be but a handful of white countries left by the end of the century. The overwhelming majority (90% +) will be majority non-white.

We also have to realize that it is not hateful to promote the continuation of your people within their individual homelands. In my opinion, it is nothing more than pure hate to subject white nations and only white nations to racial genocide, and then to condemn or outright outlaw anyone speaking out against this travesty. This is what is happening in much of Europe. Here in the U.S., at least we can speak out against it without fear of jail, but we are condemned for speaking up for what is right.

It is also important to consider the impact that diversity has a nation's IQ (what makes a nation strong), as well as its crime levels. Talking grand about meeting all types of people isn't great, when the aesthetics of the place, the crime of the place, and the cultural cohesion of the country is in shambles. Racial characteristics, encompassed in IQ and crime rates play a huge role. One should not discredit them. All one has to do is look around the world and see where the third world is located, and where the first world is located.

Intelligence, Race, and Genetics: Conversations with Arthur R. Jensen

"The preponderance of the evidence is, in my opinion, less consistent with a strictly environmental hypothesis than with a genetic hypothesis, which, of course, does not exclude the influence of environment or its interaction with genetic factors".

“IQ tests have been given in the US, the black average has been 85—a full 15 points below the white average”

07/15/00 - America & the Left Half of the Bell Curve Part I

Race & Crime

The Color of Crime: a report on 1994 crime statistics, the most recent available.
Major Findings

# There is more black-on-white than black-on-black violent crime.
# Of the approximately 1,700,000 interracial crimes of violence involving blacks and whites, 90 percent are committed by blacks against whites. Blacks are therefore up to 250 times more likely to do criminal violence to whites than the reverse.
# Blacks commit violent crimes at four to eight times the white rate. Hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately three times the white rate, and Asians at one half to three quarters the white rate.
# Blacks are twice as likely as whites to commit hate crimes.
# Hispanics are a hate crime victim category but not a perpetrator category. Hispanic offenders are classified as whites, which inflates the white offense rate and gives the impression that Hispanics commit no hate crimes.
# Blacks are as much more dangerous than whites as men are more dangerous than women.

Link: http://www.amren.com/colorofcrime/color.pdf (broken link)

[otoatlanta]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

I understand that your point of view isn't really your own, but is one that has been repeated over and over by people who are simply repeating other individuals, that they've let themselves believe this.

Let me put this frankly. The United States will not survive with a non-white majority, at least not as a strong, unified country. It will be economically poor, not to mention have poor schools, low innovation, high crime, and poverty. All one has to do is face the facts. Look at most of the non-white world, save northeast Asia, home to people with IQs. It is depressingly poor, filled with slum, squalor, disease, famine, war, as well as poor housing codes, poor transportation networks, etc.

What's more, the U.S. will not be unified as a diverse country. Right now is about as diverse as it's going to get and still maintain any semblance of a nation, without much turmoil and poor race relations. These relations are becoming increasingly poor, and will only do so as the nation becomes more diverse. It is normal human social behavior to feel comfortable around those like themselves, regardless of whether the nation is very diverse. Look at Brazil. Even a diverse polygot of a nation such as Brazil has a high racial consciousness (though some deny it. I've known many Brazilians who confirm this). Throughout history, multi-racial empires have fallen from ethnical, racial, and cultural turmoil brought about by differences that strain economic, social, and cultural relations. What makes you think that it will be any different here. Do you not notice all the racial advocacy groups, such as the National Council of LaRaza, MALDEF, and MECHA (for Hispanics), as well as the NAACP, Black Legislative Caucus, etc. (for blacks)? Isn't the NAACP always in a rift over someone saying something on the radiio, or La Raza trying to use money to supercede and influence politicians not to enforce immigration policies, as well as to legalize illegals.

You think it is bad now, just wait for more of this diversity.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but a war has been waged on the white west. Look across the globe, and what nations are permitting their people to become a minority in their homelands? White Nations. Why? Marxist elements have infiltrated most levels of government, educational institutions (universities), and the media, and have used propaganda and brainwashing techniques to instill white guilt and/or multicultural ideas into the public at large. What's more, the propaganda and beliefs have given rise to opening up the west to the non-white world. Every year, the demographics of the west changes more and more. Crime rises, conflict ensues, and people are being displaced.

There comes a time when an individual has to be true to himself/herself and his/her people. As many have stated, white people are having our countries destroyed through immigration and non-enforcement of borders. Studies have been conducted that show that there will not be but a handful of white countries left by the end of the century. The overwhelming majority (90% +) will be majority non-white.

We also have to realize that it is not hateful to promote the continuation of your people within their individual homelands. In my opinion, it is nothing more than pure hate to subject white nations and only white nations to racial genocide, and then to condemn or outright outlaw anyone speaking out against this travesty. This is what is happening in much of Europe. Here in the U.S., at least we can speak out against it without fear of jail, but we are condemned for speaking up for what is right.

You are actually serious too. That's what's so amazing. How can you use terminology like "white nation" and be referring to the United States? Who do you think built this nation? You mention a "white west", how, other than immigration, did the west get so white? It used to be brown(with land), and green(with trees), now it is grey(with smoke and coal toxins). Somehow, you see this to be a good thing.

All of the poor desolate nations that you mention are such because of European colonialism and the standard of "wealth" and "success" that has been spread around every corner of the earth based on European colonialism. With Europeans forcefully setting the standard for every nation in the world, those who decide to not comply(or who simply can't comply) with the standard suffer.

The issue is colonization, not diversity. Parasiting off of nations causes their decline. Western European governments and America have an obsession with exponential growth. This is not sustainable and will be the ruin of not just the US, but the entire globe. You cannot keep growing and growing and spreading and demanding of all of the world's resources without demise. This is the Western version of "success", and other nations who are "failures" refuse to buy into it. The disease and famine that you see in some African, Asian, Eastern European, and South American countries is nothing compared with the global demise that we may all endure as a result of Western European colonialism. If total destruction is indicative of a "high IQ", you can keep it. In any case, my "IQ" is 130. So I assume that you can contend with me. Who knows. I hear IQs over 129 place you in a "gifted" status, making up only 3% of the population.

In addition, it has been shown time and time again that factors that affect much of the black population, that are not so prevalent in the white community, greatly affect IQ. On a normal curve, blacks(however you define them) trail whites(however you define them) by 15 points. When blacks go to college though, that number is cut in half, proving that IQ has more to do with academic experience than anything else.

Challenging 'The Bell Curve': College education halves black, white IQ score gap
Challenging 'The Bell Curve': College education halves black, white IQ score gap

POVERTY ACCOUNTS FOR GAP IN IQ SCORES BETWEEN BLACKS AND WHITES (1)

EVANSTON, Ill. -- Contrary to "The Bell Curve" findings, a new study by researchers at Columbia and Northwestern Universities suggests that poverty and early learning opportunities -- not race -- account for the gap in IQ scores between blacks and whites. (The study will be published in the April [96] issue of Child Development.)

Adjustments for socioeconomic conditions almost completely eliminate differences in IQ scores between black and white children, according to the study's co-investigators. They include Jeanne Brooks-Gunn and Pamela Klebanov of Columbia's Teachers College, and Greg Duncan of the Center for Urban Affairs and Policy Research at Northwestern University.

As in many other studies, the black children in the study had IQ scores a full 15 points lower than their white counterparts. Poverty alone, the researchers found, accounted for 52 percent of that difference, cutting it to 7 points. Controlling for the children's home environment reduced the difference by another 28 percent, to a statistically insignificant 3 points -- in essence, eliminating the gap altogether. The black/white IQ gap is largely genetically caused.

Does any of this really matter to you though? I doubt it. You don't like black people, and I imagine that living amongst 10 black PhDs having only an AA yourself would only make you conjure up fantasies of an affirmative action conspiracy. You need no proof that there are intelligent blacks out there, no less intelligent that your average white person. You know that, and statistics proves that. You need no proof that it is ultimately ubber rich white males who will control the destruction of our planet, not gangsta black guys. You know that as well. Your bone to pick is not with blacks or diversity. Although, you scapegoating in this direction is, of course, your choice. For whatever reasons you may or may not have.

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by otoatlanta

You are actually serious too. That's what's so amazing. How can you use terminology like "white nation" and be referring to the United States? Who do you think built this nation? You mention a "white west", how, other than immigration, did the west get so white? It used to be brown(with land), and green(with trees), now it is grey(with smoke and coal toxins). Somehow, you see this to be a good thing.

Do you not think that there are white nations? Are there not black nations in Africa? How about "yellow" nations in Asia? I suppose it is all a figment of my imagination.

The west refers to the geography and culture entailing Europe, particularly Western Europe, and where its people and culture spread: US, Canada, parts of South America (Argentina, Uraguay), Australia, New Zealand).

Europe has been a white part of the world. The U.S. was founded by white men. Regardless of who lived here before the political entity was created, a country known as the United States, it does not negate the fact that the country known as the United States has been a majority white country since its onset.

You talk about pollution and deforestation, as though it is something unique to white people. However, what about the large amounts of pollutants being emitted in India and China, or how about massive deforestation by Indian farmers in the South American Rainforest. How about China or India, where very little forest is left. The United States has been one of the best when it comes to conservation efforts, and has one of the best national and state forests and park systems in the world. Many acres protected.

All of the poor desolate nations that you mention are such because of European colonialism and the standard of "wealth" and "success" that has been spread around every corner of the earth based on European colonialism. With Europeans forcefully setting the standard for every nation in the world, those who decide to not comply(or who simply can't comply) with the standard suffer.

Here we go, something you learn from you Sociology 101 class at any given university in the west. A class lectured by an avid Marxist professor who hates the west and its people, so much so that he/she speaks in favor of diversity for diversity-sakes, despite the fact that they're supporting indirectly the destruction of nations and communities.

You act as though Europeans made Africa poor? Colonialism has been dead in most parts of Africa for thirty to forty years, many even fifty years. Things haven't gotten better, they've gotten worse. Infrastructure in many African countries, including roads and railroads, is falling apart. When Apartheid ended in South Africa, many thought it would signal a glorious future, yet to native white South Africans, they'll tell you that crime has risen, aesthetics of the place has deteriorated, and a huge number of whites have left.

You say that those who choose not to comply suffer. Do they suffer when they receive the majority of aid. Most aid, controlled via the UN, is distributed from majority white countries to majority non-white countries. So much for European nations letting them suffer.

The issue is colonization, not diversity. Parasiting off of nations causes their decline. Western European governments and America have an obsession with exponential growth. This is not sustainable and will be the ruin of not just the US, but the entire globe. You cannot keep growing and growing and spreading and demanding of all of the world's resources without demise. This is the Western version of "success", and other nations who are "failures" refuse to buy into it. The disease and famine that you see in some African, Asian, Eastern European, and South American countries is nothing compared with the global demise that we may all endure as a result of Western European colonialism. If total destruction is indicative of a "high IQ", you can keep it.

Parasiting off nations? Exactly who is parasiting? If anything, it would be non-white nations via immigration who are moving into predominately white nations and changing them, with long-term implications, economically, socially, and culturally.

I admit that continual expansion isn't sustainable in the long run, but that is the result of greed, which is a characteristic of mankind. It is a poor trait. Communities are sustainable, and can be economically attainable, as long as development styles change. As what was characteristic of the west for most of its history, cities do need to be more close knit, with greater density, to allow for better resource allocation. The current sprawl type of development can't last forever.

[otoatlanta]

Do you not think that there are white nations? Are there not black nations in Africa? How about "yellow" nations in Asia? I suppose it is all a figment of my imagination.

There are nations that are predominantly any number of things, "white skinned", blonde haired, brown eyed,etc. What is the point? Asian people aren't yellow, black people aren't black(Pakistanis tend to be much closer to black), and white people aren't white. So yes, in a way, it is all a figment of one's imagination. Race as a concept comes from Europe, and only exist to the degree to which you prescribe to the concept. Scientist have proven that there is often more diversity within a "race" than between the races. White people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Human Race

The west refers to the geography and culture entailing Europe, particularly Western Europe, and where its people and culture spread: US, Canada, parts of South America (Argentina, Uraguay), Australia, New Zealand).

Agreed.

Europe has been a white part of the world. The U.S. was founded by white men. Regardless of who lived here before the political entity was created, a country known as the United States, it does not negate the fact that the country known as the United States has been a majority white country since its onset.

Disagreed. Most of northern Europe has been composed of fair-skinned Nordic types, while southern parts of Europe have historically been a mixture of fair-skinned and medium to dark brown skinned.

As far as the United States is concerned, you are apparently speaking to the animalistic "survival of the fittest" theory to prove that white Europeans somehow have a greater validity in this country than all others. Since a few elitist white males violently hoarded all of the power for themselves(thereby ensuring that only they could take credit for the building and founding of the country) this somehow proves that white people(men only??) should have a valid, lasting position of superiority in this country simply because they previously forced it upon populations? Interesting concept. The United States was a predominantly white country at its outset since only white men allowed themselves to found it? Hmm. So then, I suppose the United States was also solely male as well? As far as numbers go, whites were the minority in this country for quite a long time. In the colonial South, blacks often were the majority, followed by native Indians. In the West, native Indians were often the majority.

You talk about pollution and deforestation, as though it is something unique to white people. However, what about the large amounts of pollutants being emitted in India and China, or how about massive deforestation by Indian farmers in the South American Rainforest. How about China or India, where very little forest is left. The United States has been one of the best when it comes to conservation efforts, and has one of the best national and state forests and park systems in the world. Many acres protected.

Pollution and deforestation is unique to Westernization, which grows like an uncontrollable cancer. Of course people always cut down trees, but most tribal societies(pre-colonization) did so with consciousness and necessity. Westernization is obsessed with growth. Growth without consciousness. Prehaps a high IQ indicates a propensity for growth, but growth must have limits if we are to survive. Western society calls the lack of growth or desire for it, laziness, and uses labels like these to punish people and countries who refuse to metastize with it(of course, for its own benefit).



Here we go, something you learn from you Sociology 101 class at any given university in the west. A class lectured by an avid Marxist professor who hates the west and its people, so much so that he/she speaks in favor of diversity for diversity-sakes, despite the fact that they're supporting indirectly the destruction of nations and communities.



You act as though Europeans made Africa poor? Colonialism has been dead in most parts of Africa for thirty to forty years, many even fifty years. Things haven't gotten better, they've gotten worse. Infrastructure in many African countries, including roads and railroads, is falling apart. When Apartheid ended in South Africa, many thought it would signal a glorious future, yet to native white South Africans, they'll tell you that crime has risen, aesthetics of the place has deteriorated, and a huge number of whites have left.

What is 30-40 years? Hardly even a generation. Your expectations are extremely unrealistic considering the depth and scope of African colonialism which prevailed for hundreds of years. Things will get worse. Why wouldn't they? How does one enslave or consume a people for generations, suck their resources bone dry, and then leave them with nothing, only to expect positive results? How can you purposefully create dependent subordinates, and then just abandon them once you have dried them up? I'm baffled at why crime has risen in the historically violent European South Africa. How can this be? Or prehaps, the murder and victimization of blacks and coloreds in South Africa was insignificant to white police officers and officials(who were often the perps) and not recorded when they had rule(thereby giving the illusion of low crime-simply mean, low crime against whites). Now that it is they who suffer, they cry and scream and can't understand why their farms continue to be robbed and sacked. It goes right over their heads. This is what a high IQ does for a group of people? You there is something called EQ(emotional intelligence), and I imagine that it will prove far more important in sustaining humanity than IQ. Violence breeds violence. If your "culture" believes it to be ok to dehumanize an entire nation of people for the sake of economic expansion, expect that nation(if ever freed)to unleash its fury against you, and also itself.

You say that those who choose not to comply suffer. Do they suffer when they receive the majority of aid. Most aid, controlled via the UN, is distributed from majority white countries to majority non-white countries. So much for European nations letting them suffer.

This makes sense, as rich Western Europeans have been the primary ones going around the world robbing(or colonizing,whatever PC word you want to use) the world of its resources for hundreds of years. Giving back a fraction of what has been taken shows a sliver of ethics; although, not much.


Parasiting off nations? Exactly who is parasiting? If anything, it would be non-white nations via immigration who are moving into predominately white nations and changing them, with long-term implications, economically, socially, and culturally.

The parasite is not the one who brings a different culture, religion, or "racial" makeup to an area. If that is the case, again, Western Europeans are indeed the primary global parasites-as it is they who have gone into nearly every incorporated and unincorporated part of the world and declared it, its peoples, and resources as their own. While other people may desire to live amongst those unlike themselves, the obsession with growth and dominance requires that Western Europeans/Society consume everything around it.


I admit that continual expansion isn't sustainable in the long run, but that is the result of greed, which is a characteristic of mankind. It is a poor trait. Communities are sustainable, and can be economically attainable, as long as development styles change. As what was characteristic of the west for most of its history, cities do need to be more close knit, with greater density, to allow for better resource allocation. The current sprawl type of development can't last forever.

Greed is not culturally apparent in all of mankind. Sustainable societies have always existed, they are the "slow growth" societies which have already been consumed by Westernization. They are your "low IQ societies". Ironically, now we see things like the Slow Food Movement being popularized. Hopefully, for the world, Western society hasn't been "too slow" and ignorant in its understanding of how the world really works and can backtrack some of this growth before we burst at the seams on all fronts.

[IdaClaire]

otoatlanta, I'm glad you have the stomach to present such articulate counterpoints to scraper enthusiast, because I'm too stunned by his or her posts to be anything other than speechless. I knew there were people out there in the world who had such opinions, but I've never actually encountered one myself.

And I'm figuring that anything I say at this point will be labeled as something I have overheard from some Marxist professor and now parrot as my own point of view, so I'll just save my time and energy. Just know that I disagree vehemently with any point of view that suggests any kind of white supremacy or separatism.

I think that, in order to hold extreme points of views like that, you have to dismiss all other points of view. I get it. Anyone who disagrees with scraper enthusiast is merely repeating opinions they've heard from others and anyone who disagrees with scraper enthusiast is thinking for themselves. I know Atlanta very well, and I don't think scraper enthusiast's ideas represent the majority of white folk who live there. You have a great city, btw!

[BobKovacs]

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