Portland mayor: 'It'll take generations' to fix metro Atlanta's sprawl (organic, cost)

[emcee squared]

Originally Posted by afonega1

Before you talk any further with your foot in your mouth,please read this:

The End of Atlanta's Sprawl | Planetizen: The Urban Planning, Design, and Development Network

That was in 2008.Imagine what its like today?

And here is more evidence that Atlanta is one of the exceptions as more people are moving to the city than the suburbs.

The Census grossly overestimated the population of Atlanta, so I assume the city/suburb population growth graph would be a bit more even and not favoring the city.

With that said, the general trend in the U.S. is a revitalization of the core city, but the pure number increases in core cities is still far less than the suburbs. For instance, 10% growth in the city would only represent ~40,000 people, while 5% growth in the suburbs would represent well over 100,000.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Atlanta was also only 36 square miles and 9k density for 36 square miles is pathetic. Take the inner 36 square miles of SF and you'll have densities of 25k+. Take Manhattan(26 square miles) and an extra 10 square miles of Brooklyn and you'll have near 50k+. I'm sure the inner 36 square miles of NOLA is somewhere around 15k or so. That doesn't prove anything, but even Atlanta's core wasn't very dense.

The Pro-urban crowd want all 5 million of metro Atlanta's population to live inside the city limits and have a density over 30k per square mile, a grid pattern of medium high rises to fill the masses, limit cars to OTP and have a street car on every street and heavy rail every four blocks. Yes, let's pave over the city in a forest so some 20 somethings living in mom and dads basement can have their utopia.

Am I getting this right?

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

The Pro-urban crowd want all 5 million of metro Atlanta's population to live inside the city limits and have a density over 30k per square mile, a grid pattern of medium high rises to fill the masses, limit cars to OTP and have a street car on every street and heavy rail every four blocks. Yes, let's pave over the city in a forest so some 20 somethings living in mom and dads basement can have their utopia.

Am I getting this right?

...Pretty much.

But that particular crowd will never get all of what they want in a metro region like Atlanta.

Instead, what they will most likely get is continued denser mixed-use development immediately along major radial nodes (major roads and existing and future high-capacity passenger rail lines) both within and stretching out from the urban core into outlying areas with continued low and lower-density development areas (that are hopefully heavily-wooded) in between the radial nodes.

...Changes in development patterns which will be quite substantial considering Metro Atlanta's history of automobile-oriented development.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

Uh, I hope you noticed the irony of your epiphany as you were walking along the Beltline which connects dozens of neighborhoods together.

I was about to say the EXACT same thing!lol

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by lovindecatur

the locals call the affluent suburb of lake oswego lake no negro.

lol.omg!

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

The Pro-urban crowd want all 5 million of metro Atlanta's population to live inside the city limits and have a density over 30k per square mile, a grid pattern of medium high rises to fill the masses, limit cars to OTP and have a street car on every street and heavy rail every four blocks. Yes, let's pave over the city in a forest so some 20 somethings living in mom and dads basement can have their utopia.

Am I getting this right?

That put a smile on my face. Great response.

[gerrythesnake]

But DC and Atlanta are both better cities than Portland. Hell even Charlotte is better than Portland

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

The Pro-urban crowd want all 5 million of metro Atlanta's population to live inside the city limits and have a density over 30k per square mile, a grid pattern of medium high rises to fill the masses, limit cars to OTP and have a street car on every street and heavy rail every four blocks. Yes, let's pave over the city in a forest so some 20 somethings living in mom and dads basement can have their utopia.

Am I getting this right?

All I want is to stop having to pay for the gas and highways for those that choose to live where they have to use them. If people want to pay to live in the suburbs, great. But I think we need to stop forcing people to live there to save money.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Portland mayor: 'It'll take generations' to fix metro Atlanta's sprawl | Atlanta News & Opinion Blog | Fresh Loaf | Creative Loafing Atlanta

Hales: Portland's on the right planning track compared to other cities - Portland Business Journal

It's sadly the truth. It will take a very long time. It has been entrenched for so long that it will take alot to reverse it. One major problem I've had with metropolitan Atlanta for so long.

[DJDeadParrot]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

It's sadly the truth. It will take a very long time. It has been entrenched for so long that it will take alot to reverse it. One major problem I've had with metropolitan Atlanta for so long.

Keep reading the thread, we've discussed at length...

1) metro Atlanta has a lot more people than Portland, and a greater diversity of demands among those people...

and...

B) We ARE actively working to make in-town living less car-dependent.