10-01-2013, 09:59 PM
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emcee squared
Opinion, opinion, opinion, not sure, opinion, fact, fact, fact, opinion, fact, fact.
5/11 on the facts there.
Why do many Atlantans dismiss criticism about the area and boast other nonsense instead of addressing the points raised by the OP? I understand they're opinions too, but the views of outsiders should be recognized and not shunned. Whenever someone says something not 100% positive about Atlanta, it is written off as another 'Atlanta basher.' It gets old.
The aforementioned rant is applicable to multiple threads, not just this one.
Dude obviously this a Troll thread...
1. Dude said ............
"Buckhead felt light a series of strip malls but with rail access. Like King of Prussia back home."
King of Prussia
http://goo.gl/maps/w3VFc
Buckhead.. where are the similarities?...
http://goo.gl/maps/sI5ar
2. He speaking about activity and Downtown Atlanta is more active than Downtown Charlotte. Also in addition to having more tourist More people live in Downtown Atlanta than downtown Houston and Dallas.
3. He said Midtown is office park like when it's in a grid...
10-01-2013, 10:08 PM
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While the original poster was a little strong in his assessment and struck a nerve with many, there is some value in making a comparison to other southern cities and Atlanta's Downtown is facing some strong competition from other southern cities. First, take a look at the huge boom in development taking place in Downtown Nashville - with the recent opening of both the Music Center, and adjacent Omni Hotel (and the existing Hilton) combined with the Country Music Hall of Fame there is a real synergy and surge in development in the new south of Broadway district. The momentum is increasing with the announcement of a high end 24 hour diner opening just a block away. Atlanta's downtown doesn't have quite the synergy that those blocks of Nashville have. There is no 24 hour high end diner in downtown Atlanta either (no Waffle House doesn't count, LOL!). There is also a burgeoning residential and retail district developing in Nashville's Gulch which includes an Urban Outfitters as well as numerous restaurants. Atlanta's downtown doesn't have an equivalent retail district. Underground Atlanta in its early days had that, but is a shadow of its former self.
Memphis, also, has a burgeoning downtown with the large residential community of Mud Island on its northern end and the numerous condos and million dollar homes on the river bluff on its south end. The Main Street cable car connects both areas with Central Business District in between. The thriving Beal Street entertainment district towers over any thing comparable in downtown Atlanta.
Birmingham, has experienced a surge in residential development in its downtown with many older office buildings being converted to residential use. The new Regions Field baseball park has lead to the development of new apartments and retail in adjacent land. The new entertainment district being built adjacent to the Civic Center with new Westin Hotel is also impressive (Show me where this is taking place in Downtown Atlanta)? The Birmingham Museum of Art and the McWane Science Center are both located in the Downtown proper as opposed to Atlanta where the High Museum is in Midtown and Fernank is in Druid Hills. It is far more preferable for a visitor to have all the main attractions in a central area. While the Georgia Aquarium and the World of Coke are in an ideal location for visitors, several attractions are located at a distance - for example the Atlanta History Center in Buckhead.
In summary, while Atlanta is a far larger city and has a far more impressive skyline than other southern cities, from a visitors perspective, the other southern cities downtowns are coming on strong and the powers that be should take note of it. This is particularly true for the convention business which is a big part of metro Atlanta's economy.
10-01-2013, 10:16 PM
Location: The Greatest city on Earth: City of Atlanta Proper
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The thing is not only that ATL lacks zoning but that it is for all intents and purposes a practical city with kind of a lack of quality of life
Uh, no. The city of Atlanta has more zoning laws than you can imagine. So much so, I'm pretty sure if you want to fart on the sidewalk you'd have to get approval from a city board of some sort. But seriously, we are one of the stricter zoning cities in the country from what I gather.
What has been the problem is that our zoning was OVERLY strict when it didn't make sense. Some areas were strictly residential, but not every kind of residential. Some areas were strictly commercial, and were built right up to older pre-zoning residential. Even something as simple as cutting down a tree (not necessarily a bad thing) requires approval by the city arborist...even if it's on your own property.
You must be thinking of Houston.
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Houston is well known as the only major U.S. city with no formal zoning code.
How Houston gets along without zoning - BusinessWeek
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bhammaster
it doesn't pride itself in solely seeking to create a quality of life for it's residents like most American cities in the country.
I wouldn't say that at all. Pretty much all of the top 20 cities or so put a major focus on balancing day to day residential life and attracting visitors with attractions. Or do you think your average New Yorker goes to Times Square more than once a year?
10-01-2013, 10:58 PM
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Is there some other urban area that people work/shop/go to because these areas totally didnt cut it for me. I have been to Dallas, Charlotte, Houston, NOLA, and others. I honestly thought that Atlanta had the worst downtown and that Midtown/Buckhead were poor substitutes compared to other places.
You are really trying to say that the downtown in Houston is more vibrant than Atlanta? I used to live in downtown Houston, and that is straight up false. Houston was a ghost town after 5pm. Downtown Dallas is a joke too. And Charlotte's downtown consists of about three blocks of anything.
I'm not trying to say Atlanta has a great downtown, but those cities you listed are definitely not superior.
10-01-2013, 11:23 PM
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Pfft
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Whatever that makes u sleep better at night bruh
Face it, killadelphia is the armpits of the Northeast.
No comeback?
10-01-2013, 11:24 PM
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No Mike and Ike 27..... Sorry to burst your bubble.
Let me repeat this - Layovers at your airport do NOT count as tourists. Understand?
10-02-2013, 12:02 AM
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This is worth keeping in mind when setting expectations of what Atlanta will be like, especially for visitors from northeastern cities. This is not Philly or Boston, where you can easily walk from Cheers to Fenway. We're rather decentralized, and a car will be a necessity to see it all. I'll admit; I was a lot like the original poster when I first moved here from Up North [by way of Philly, I might add] in that I was confounded by how spread out things in town were ["Buckhead is way up there ?!?" I asked from Midtown, having been pointed to high-rises many miles away].
As has been getting discussed in the Coca Cola Museum thread, Atlanta easily has the means to entertain almost any demographic of tourist. Some people might have to re-calibrate their urban entertainment compass, if you will, to find what suits them.
I guess Atlanta's difficulty it that it has no natural center. So stuff tends to spread out and places rise and fall. Sort of an endless tussle between Downtown, Five Points, Underground, Buckhead, Midtown, Little Five Points, Centennial Park,... What many places like Philly have that is aesthetically pleasing and a natural draw is some sort of body of water. Atlanta has it with the Chattahoochee but choses to keep its distance from it. Even Stone Mountain would do, but it's way out and not easily seen from city and not that easy to get to for a tourist. All that's special about Atlanta's location is that some railroad tycoons picked a strategic spot on a map.
10-02-2013, 12:08 AM
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Keep in mind though that the actual numbers are hard to gauge. isolated places like Hawaii and desert surrounded Las Vegas probably have an easier time with an accurate headcount.
10-02-2013, 12:25 AM
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Having lived the majority of the last 30 years in either one of the two metro areas, I heartily disagree with the comment in bold above.
Fort Worth is in a different class, the kind of downtown of a much smaller city. But in all three cases, the most interesting areas are outside of downtown, Uptown in Dallas, the Museum district in Fort Worth and Midtown/Buckhead/L5P in Atlanta.
You missed my specific point. The point wasn't that the most interesting areas in both Atlanta and Dallas are outside of downtown. In fact, I
said Atlanta has much to see and do
outside the downtown.
The point was that even Dallas
(which I hate) still has a better downtown than Atlanta. And that's saying something since Dallas isn't particularly known for it's downtown.
10-02-2013, 12:47 AM
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AZ GUY
No Mike and Ike 27..... Sorry to burst your bubble.
Let me repeat this - Layovers at your airport do NOT count as tourists. Understand?
And they don't count in those numbers. What's your point? If you're going to make an argument against tourism in Atlanta, a better argument would be that half of the visitors here are visiting because of conventions or events, not necessarily to see the city of Atlanta itself.
Keep in mind, Atlanta hosts big events nearly every weekend...We recently just had TomorrowWorld, BET Hip Hop Awards, and Anime Weekend just last weekend and those events probably drew 500k+ or so together.
Many of these people come from other cities in Georgia and the Southeast. That's the plus side of being by far the largest metro within a 600 mile radius. It isn't that hard to realize that Atlanta probably does draw more visitors than most would expect. It is the prime city of the Southeast. Many families and people come here for day/weekend trips, to shop, etc, etc from nearby states and they count as visitors.
Here's a rough 600 mile radius of Atlanta. There is no metro bigger than Atlanta or even above 4M...
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People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)