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Old 11-30-2013, 08:11 AM
 
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There is a petition on Change.org that seems to be getting some good traction so far:

Atlanta Braves Ownership: Keep the Braves at Turner Field - http://www.change.org/petitions/atla...t-turner-field
Where would Atlanta get the money?

 
Old 11-30-2013, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Where would Atlanta get the money?
Not only that, but it smacks of desperation. It's a lot like the husband who finds out his wife is leaving him for another guy and pledges to "change" and do "whatever it takes" to make things right. Meanwhile the other guy is already doing those things.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Not only that, but it smacks of desperation. It's a lot like the husband who finds out his wife is leaving him for another guy and pledges to "change" and do "whatever it takes" to make things right. Meanwhile the other guy is already doing those things.
Are you really trying to compare a city to a husband? Worse analogy today!
Atlanta can find the money, the same way Cobb has, except using general funds. The issue is the Braves org. wanting Atlanta to pay for the majority of development, but the team keeping all the revenue.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Are you really trying to compare a city to a husband? Worse analogy today!
Atlanta can find the money, the same way Cobb has, except using general funds. The issue is the Braves org. wanting Atlanta to pay for the majority of development, but the team keeping all the revenue.
There are no doubt a number of ways city of Atlanta could have structured a deal to keep the Braves, but they would have had to actively engage in negotiations, like they did to placate the Falcons.

In the ultra competitive world of pro sports franchising you can't dilly-dally or simply assume that the status quo will last indefinitely. A big league franchise is a highly sought after, marquee business and if you sit on your hands it's a guarantee that someone else will make the deal.
 
Old 11-30-2013, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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Are you really trying to compare a city to a husband? Worse analogy today!
Atlanta can find the money, the same way Cobb has, except using general funds. The issue is the Braves org. wanting Atlanta to pay for the majority of development, but the team keeping all the revenue.
Actually, I think Neil's analogy is a pretty good one.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Johns Creek area
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Actually, I think Neil's analogy is a pretty good one.
Ditto on that.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 08:48 AM
 
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Add my agreement, too.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 10:53 AM
 
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I'll have a sam adams as well
 
Old 12-01-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Actually, I honestly don't think the city wants the stadium. I mean.. in the end of the day, Stadium sits on prime real estate for redevelopment. With the Turner field leaving, it could open up doors to lots of cool things. Could you imagine the Atl Skyline moving futher south 0__0 that would be interesting.
 
Old 12-01-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Actually, I honestly don't think the city wants the stadium. I mean.. in the end of the day, Stadium sits on prime real estate for redevelopment. With the Turner field leaving, it could open up doors to lots of cool things. Could you imagine the Atl Skyline moving futher south 0__0 that would be interesting.
This is a good point.

In addition to the City of Atlanta not necessarily wanting the stadium (particularly on the Braves' terms...there also have always been howls of protest from some quarters about how so much potentially prime real estate sits under acres of parking at the center of the city), and in addition to not liking their current contract situation with the City of Atlanta...I don't think that the Braves' organization (particularly under the current ownership) has ever really liked their current stadium location.

If the Braves would have stayed in the City of Atlanta after 2017, I get the feeling that the team would have liked to have been much-closer to (like immediately near or right next to) all of the convention activity at the Georgia World Congress Center and tourist attractions popping up around the Centennial Olympic Park area (...all while having control over the development surrounding a new stadium, of course).

As some others have stated, the Braves were likely looking (desperately...much more desperately than most might be aware) for a way (any way) to get away from a Turner Field location that the Braves probably never really liked but occupied because the team basically got the stadium for free after the Olympics.

The Braves organization has likely been desiring or even plotting (in one form or another) for many years to get away from a Turner Field location that they never really liked.

...Ironically, something similar happened with the Braves organization when their Triple-A team (which is currently in Gwinnett County) was in Richmond, Virginia.

The Braves organization was negotiating with the City of Richmond for a new stadium for the Triple-A team.

The City of Richmond wanted to keep the Braves at their longtime location just off of Interstate 95 in an aging industrial area in North Richmond, with maybe a few upgrades to the current stadium which was built in 1985, or maybe a new stadium at the Braves' then-current location (though a new stadium always seemed to be a longshot in the negotiations between the Braves and the City of Richmond, even at the then-current not-too-hot location in an aging industrial area in North Richmond).

But the Braves organization wanted a new stadium in or near the historic Shockoe Bottom area of Downtown Richmond on the banks of the James River.

Rather than stay in a location that the organization never really liked and had been eager to get away from, the Braves' organization moved the Triple-A team to Gwinnett County, Georgia where they could get a better financial deal (...just like in this situation where the Atlanta Braves are moving away from a location on the Southside that they haven't liked in many, many years (and probably never really liked in the post-Olympic era) to an area in Cobb County that they seem to like much better and are getting a better financial and contractual deal).

City of Atlanta residents may not necessarily be all that hot that the Braves are moving to Cobb County, but the split between the City of Atlanta and the Braves' organization seems to be a move that is best for both parties as the City of Atlanta has an opportunity to control the redevelopment of an area that has been dominated by acres of asphalt stadium parking for the past 45-50 years or so, and the Braves are moving to an area (closer to the center of their fanbase) where they will have the control over the development around the stadium that they have always wanted.

In those respects (of both parties keeping financial control), the move seems to work out over the long-term for both the City of Atlanta and the Atlanta Braves.

Though, whether the deal will work out for the taxpayers of Cobb County will remain to be seen, though the potential is most-certainly there for Cobb County taxpayers to benefit over the long-run, particularly if the new stadium generates a lot of new development in the Cumberland/Galleria area and has a dramatically positive impact on Cobb County's property tax revenue collections.
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