09-22-2014, 02:13 PM
Location: Georgia
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Arrests and no details given are becoming the norm for all of these armed police units that arent even city or county cops.
09-22-2014, 10:35 PM
Location: Atlanta, GA
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sedimenjerry
Driving a car faster than the speed limit...
The examples you cited are civil infractions. I mentioned that I would be fine with this being a civil infraction. Since it is not, the arrest was completely appropriate.
09-23-2014, 07:04 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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I try to have a sense of empathy. Now, if I were at the airport and let's say my purse went missing. How would I get home? I haven't learned a phone number in ten years so I would not even be able to call anyone from a pay phone (assuming I could find one) for a Western Union or a ride without the cell phone. (Well, I could call my parents, but that is not illustrating the point I'm making.) I don't know how I could get past that Delta station to the train, but if the opportunity presented itself and I was in a bind, I might give it a try. One thing for sure though is that if caught, I would not want to go to jail over $2.50.
That is against the law and do not be surprised if you are arrested. And how would you lose something as important as a purse? Also, there is a RiseStore at the Airport Station, so I am sure they could figure something out to help you.
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Arrests and no details given are becoming the norm for all of these armed police units that arent even city or county cops.
Technically, MARTA is a state agency so these are state level officers.
09-23-2014, 10:20 AM
Location: Atlanta
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Originally Posted by
atltechdude
The examples you cited are civil infractions. I mentioned that I would be fine with this being a civil infraction. Since it is not, the arrest was completely appropriate.
Obviously they're different and treated differently but it's still low level. I'm not denying that the fare jumper can get arrested due to the difference in laws. I'm saying he shouldn't (from what we know in the article). If you drive in the HOT lane without a PeachPass you're essentially doing the same thing. You're avoiding paying for using the lane. Or if it's complete toll road. You're using a road without paying for it and evading the toll. You won't get arrested but you will get a citation and fine. I'm saying that there's a better way of handling it without costing taxpayers so much. Those toll evasions on the roads are minor and treated as such without an arrest. Fare evasion is equally minor and should be treated as such. It's not ignoring it or forgiving it.
DART already does this.
"Exact fare required on all buses. No change made. Failure to produce a valid ticket or pass constitutes fare evasion and is punishable by an administrative penalty of up to $100 or a Class C misdemeanor violation with a fine not to exceed $500." Bottom of
this page .
This states that fare evasion and HOV lane violations are treated the same. No arrest needed. Just pay your fine.
"If you received a citation for fare evasion, single occupant or crossing a double white line, then please be advised that the citation charges you with a violation of a state law. Anytime you are charged with an offense you have the right to consult an attorney, the right to a jury trial if you want one, and the right to plead not guilty. "
This
short piece mentions a time where the author witnessed someone get a citation for fare evasion (but not arrested). It's actually a piece on race, the white author wasn't even cited, she was given a 2nd chance to pay at the next station but that's besides my point. Fare evasion, still punished, but not arrested.
Citations for minor crimes are issued quite often anyway without an arrest. I saw this while in college in Texas. Every once in a while on game day some minors get caught with alcohol. MIP citations were issued but no arrests made. I remember
this just last year . Cop poured out their pack of peer and gave them citations. They weren't arrested but were cited. Public intoxication sometimes results in arrests but sometimes they can be released to a
sober individual . Noise violations are common charges that require a court visit, but no arrest. It's still punishing crimes but without costly arrests.
I know that fare jumping is punishable by arrest, but like other things, it can be punished without an arrest.
09-23-2014, 10:47 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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How do we know that this guy jumped the fare with the intention of committing a much worse crime, like a purse snatch or armed robbery? By arresting this guy MARTA PD could have stopped a much more serious crime from happening. And I am sure this is not his first offense. Remember, under the new code of conduct, if a user is banned from the system and found to be on the system again, they can be arrested.
09-23-2014, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by
cqholt
How do we know that this guy jumped the fare with the intention of committing a much worse crime, like a purse snatch or armed robbery? By arresting this guy MARTA PD could have stopped a much more serious crime from happening. And I am sure this is not his first offense. Remember, under the new code of conduct, if a user is banned from the system and found to be on the system again, they can be arrested.
This has to be the silliest argument I have read in a while. Everything we don't know, leads to something we don't know. Until we DO KNOW more information about the circumstances, fare evasion should not warrant an arrest. Providing no information is release or revealed, I think this is a terrible use of police resources and taxpayer money. Write the guy a ticket and go back to policing the fantasy purse snatchers and armed robberies on MARTA.
09-23-2014, 11:57 AM
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If any of us walked into a store and put an item in our pocket and walked out, we would be arrested for shop lifting, so this is pretty much the same scenario. But this is the problem with America, lock people up for everything. Many cops I know will even admit, locking people up for everything is NOT the answer.
09-23-2014, 12:04 PM
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SAAN
If any of us walked into a store and put an item in our pocket and walked out, we would be arrested for shop lifting, so this is pretty much the same scenario. But this is the problem with America, lock people up for everything. Many cops I know will even admit, locking people up for everything is NOT the answer.
Your overall premise is correct, our society incarcerates too many people, but if you steal a 2.50 candy bar APD is most likely writing you a ticket.
09-23-2014, 05:23 PM
Location: Atlanta
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cqholt
That is against the law and do not be surprised if you are arrested. And how would you lose something as important as a purse? Also, there is a RiseStore at the Airport Station, so I am sure they could figure something out to help you...
When I said "purse went missing", I was inferring that it was stolen. It has never happened to me before, but quite frankly that's just by grace. Sometimes between pushing the cart and waiting for luggage, I can get a bit lax. Straps everywhere, can't figure out what's carry-on from purse, gotta damn near strip to get on the plane so in short, things can happen.
I do not know what a RiseStore is, but I'm sure it must be inconvenient as hell to get to. I am clearly stating that even though I cannot see how I would get past that gate to get to the train that if I didn't have any funds, I'd try.
09-23-2014, 06:09 PM
Location: MMU->ABE->ATL->ASH
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Its a RideStore Not Risestore.... It right inside the Marta Airport Station, Next to the Marta Entrance gates.
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People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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