Atlanta Botanical Gardens sued over gun policy (professionals, best)

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by rorqual

Every person is a "good guy with a gun" just before they go on a rampage and turn into a "bad guy with a gun". At this point, even the ISIS radicals are stunned at the level of NRA-sponsored gun craziness in a first world country such as the US.

This reminds me of a certain Youtube video I saw recently that showed how similar some Far-Right radicals are to some terrorist radicals. Pretty sure that I can't post it here due to content; PM me if you want it.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by rorqual

Every person is a "good guy with a gun" just before they go on a rampage and turn into a "bad guy with a gun".

The only way you'll ever stop good guys with a gun from turning into bad guys with a gun is to create more hopefully good guys with guns and count on them not turning into bad guys with guns. The ones who remain good guys will take out the ones who have turned into bad guys, and if for some reason they can't LE will have to get involved.

A lot of it simply comes down to making sure they have adequate firepower at all times, good judgment and solid tactical training.

[Pemgin]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The only way you'll ever stop good guys with a gun from turning into bad guys with a gun is to create more hopefully good guys with guns and count on them not turning into bad guys with guns. The ones who remain good guys will take out the ones who have turned into bad guys, and if for some reason they can't LE will have to get involved.

A lot of it simply comes down to making sure they have adequate firepower at all times, good judgment and solid tactical training.

This is way more complicated and dangerous than just not allowing guns everywhere.

I work in a public building. Fortunately, it really hasn't been a problem so far. However, it's a nagging worry in the minds of my coworkers and I. It frustrates me that we have to worry about something this absurd at work. I have no way to know if someone coming in with a gun is a "good guy" or a "bad guy," and almost certainly do not have enough time to ascertain this before something bad could happen. It would be safer to assume everyone is a "bad guy" and not be anywhere near them. And what if they are "good guys" but are incompetent or weak enough to let a "bad guy" take their firearm from them? This is just one of a countless number of variables that have been introduced by this legislation that put people in jeopardy.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Pemgin

I work in a public building. Fortunately, it really hasn't been a problem so far. However, it's a nagging worry in the minds of my coworkers and I. It frustrates me that we have to worry about something this absurd at work. I have no way to know if someone coming in with a gun is a "good guy" or a "bad guy," and almost certainly do not have enough time to ascertain this before something bad could happen. It would be safer to assume everyone is a "bad guy" and not be anywhere near them. And what if they are "good guys" but are incompetent or weak enough to let a "bad guy" take their firearm from them? This is just one of a countless number of variables that have been introduced by this legislation that put people in jeopardy.

Why can't we just assume that anyone who comes into your building (or the Botanical garden) with a rifle or pistol is a good guy who is simply very uncomfortable walking around without a gun? Unless and until he is actually pointing or firing it at someone he is fully within his constitutional rights and there should be no cause for concern.

Bear in mind that people need their weapons not only for self-defense but for hunting and warding off a tyrannical government as well. If you have someone in the building with a gun there's a good probability it's for one of these legitimate purposes. If they are transparent enough to carry it openly there should be even less worry about their motives.

[Pemgin]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Why can't we just assume that anyone who comes into your building (or the Botanical garden) with a rifle or pistol is a good guy who is simply very uncomfortable walking around without a gun? Unless and until he is actually pointing or firing it at someone he is fully within his constitutional rights and there should be no cause for concern.

Bear in mind that people need their weapons not only for self-defense but for hunting and warding off a tyrannical government as well. If you have someone in the building with a gun there's a good probability it's for one of these legitimate purposes. If they are transparent enough to carry it openly there should be even less worry about their motives.

I'm pretty sure you're playing devil's advocate, but there have been too many shootings in public places in the last 15-20 years to presume someone walking into a public place with a gun is benevolent. They could be harmless, of course, but I don't believe it's safe to make that one's default assumption.

The botanical garden should have planned for something like this, though. It seems like the CEO doesn't know it's a public place, which makes me feel bad for the employee that asked the guy to leave because he/she may have not been informed of this and acted with the best intentions.

[samiwas1]

Originally Posted by MattCW

Georgia gun rights group sues Botanical Gardens | www.wsbtv.com
Long story short, the Botanical Gardens thinks it's exempt from State firearms carry law. They're about to find out the hard way that public property means public property.

OOHH!! Yeah, they'll show them!! No more being worried that a boogeyman will get me amongst the flowers!! No, it's not about fear.

Originally Posted by arjay57

There are a lot of people who are flat out terrified of being forced to go into some place like the botanical garden without their weapons. They are about to teach the garden a major lesson about trying to make folks walk around in a garden with no firearms.

Is this a serious post?

First of all, who is "forced" to go into the Botanical Gardens?

Secondly, if you are "terrified" of going into a place like the Botanical Gardens without being armed, I believe you just may have some sort of mental issue.

Yeah, I don't think this is a serious post. My sarcasm meter must be malfunctioning.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Bear in mind that people need their weapons not only for self-defense but for hunting and warding off a tyrannical government as well. If you have someone in the building with a gun there's a good probability it's for one of these legitimate purposes.

As it turns out, hunting in buildings is the main problem people with guns cause in this country.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The only way you'll ever stop good guys with a gun from turning into bad guys with a gun is to create more hopefully good guys with guns and count on them not turning into bad guys with guns. The ones who remain good guys will take out the ones who have turned into bad guys, and if for some reason they can't LE will have to get involved.

A lot of it simply comes down to making sure they have adequate firepower at all times, good judgment and solid tactical training.

Either this is the greatest troll post I have seen in weeks or the first time I have EVER seen a right-to-keep-and-bear-arms supporter admit that "good guys" can turn into "bad guys."

Originally Posted by arjay57

Why can't we just assume that anyone who comes into your building (or the Botanical garden) with a rifle or pistol is a good guy who is simply very uncomfortable walking around without a gun? Unless and until he is actually pointing or firing it at someone he is fully within his constitutional rights and there should be no cause for concern.

Bear in mind that people need their weapons not only for self-defense but for hunting and warding off a tyrannical government as well. If you have someone in the building with a gun there's a good probability it's for one of these legitimate purposes. If they are transparent enough to carry it openly there should be even less worry about their motives.

Yep, looks like troll posting to me.

[brownhornet]

Although i'm a CCW carrier, sometimes I just don't think you have to carry EVERYWHERE. I'm not a church person at all and even though you can legally carry in churches now unless the church says you can't i'd still respect it enough not to take a gun in.

[hatgirl007]

I'm glad they asked him to leave. I think every person has the right to feel safe as well and botanical gardens, parks, and other events are not the proper place to have a gun on your hip. Where is the threat at the botanical gardens?
Everyone has the right to protect themselves but who determines if someone is mentally fit to have the right to carry a gun.

A few months ago a report was made with a child crying when an adult showed up at the playground during a baseball game displaying his right to carry his weapon. Children (and adults) should not be frightened by the presence of a weapon on a school yard, nor the botanical gardens, while they should be focused on enjoying their environment. Who's the real threat? The threat of potential danger or the threat of a Clint Eastwood mentality on the loose.