Fulton & DeKalb Only 1¢ Tax Covers Basically All Proposed Transit Projects (Clifton, Next 3 LRT Phases, 400N, 20E) (Atlanta: sales, 2014)

[jsvh]

If Fulton & DeKalb were to pass their own "TSPLOST" 1 cent sales tax that only did transit and no roads, it could fund basically all the transit projects on the table in the two counties straight up.

• A 1 cent tax in Fulton and DeKalb collects $340M a year today.
• That is $6.8B over 20 years.
• $2.17B gets you the next three phases of Streetcar / Beltline LRT Transit.
• $1.96B gets you the I-20E BRT and HRT extension
• $1.6B gets you the MARTA 400N HRT Extension
• $700M gets you the Clifton Corridor LRT
• That leaves you with $370M left for operations or what ever else you want

That assumes no contributions from other sources:

• Zero growth in Sales Tax collections
• Zero Fed Dollars
• Zero State Dollars
• Zero Beltline TAD Dollars
• Zero MARTA Dollars

So there is plenty of wiggle room to make this quick-math work.

There is strong support for transit in Fulton & DeKalb and these projects would cover about every part of the counties so it should have no trouble passing.

[ChefRamsey]

This is GA. It still wouldn't fly. They don't teach economic development policy or math in Bible school...but GA Tech does!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MW44jsYi0g

[arjay57]

Any such plan would need to exempt seniors and those of us on fixed incomes.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

This is GA. It still wouldn't fly.

Atlanta != Georgia

Think you will find considerable support for transit in Fulton, DeKalb, and Atlanta

Originally Posted by arjay57

Any such plan would need to exempt seniors and those of us on fixed incomes.

It would follow the same exemptions that currently exist on sales tax.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Anyways, North Fulton probably won't support any transit expansions. They don't want African-Americans coming into their communities re MARTA and other projects. We would rather spend millions in gas, stress, tears and sweat of Atlanta commutes. Smh

North Fulton residents voice support for MARTA expansion - Atlanta Magazine

Support builds to extend transit along Georgia 400 - Atlanta Business Chronicle

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

I'm assuming the 1 cent is per dollar, aka 1%.

Yes, 1% sales tax. The same that TSPLOST would have charged but done mostly road upgrades through the 10 county region.

[alco89]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Anyways, North Fulton probably won't support any transit expansions. They don't want African-Americans coming into their communities re MARTA and other projects. We would rather spend millions in gas, stress, tears and sweat of Atlanta commutes. Smh

You're very out of touch with reality in this comment. ^^^^

[J2201987]

Originally Posted by jsvh

If Fulton & DeKalb were to pass their own "TSPLOST" 1 cent sales tax that only did transit and no roads, it could fund basically all the transit projects on the table in the two counties straight up.

• A 1 cent tax in Fulton and DeKalb collects $340M a year today.
• That is $6.8B over 20 years.
• $2.17B gets you the next three phases of Streetcar / Beltline LRT Transit.
• $1.96B gets you the I-20E BRT and HRT extension
• $1.6B gets you the MARTA 400N HRT Extension
• $700M gets you the Clifton Corridor LRT
• That leaves you with $370M left for operations or what ever else you want

That assumes no contributions from other sources:

• Zero growth in Sales Tax collections
• Zero Fed Dollars
• Zero State Dollars
• Zero Beltline TAD Dollars
• Zero MARTA Dollars

So there is plenty of wiggle room to make this quick-math work.

There is strong support for transit in Fulton & DeKalb and these projects would cover about every part of the counties so it should have no trouble passing.

That is IF these projects were to be done on time and within budget, otherwise that $370 million will be eaten up quickly.

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Southern Baptist Christianity is not real Christianity. It's a political and racial institution. "Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell" WHAT? Not believing in climate change?

You mean how in the northern hemisphere the climate gets cold towards the end/beginning of the year and it gets hot in the middle (and vice versa in the southern hemisphere)? That "climate change"?

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Anyways, North Fulton probably won't support any transit expansions. They don't want African-Americans coming into their communities re MARTA and other projects. We would rather spend millions in gas, stress, tears and sweat of Atlanta commutes. Smh

Uh oh. Better not doubt North Fulton's vehement demand for MARTA HRT expansion; that's considered blasphemy around these parts...

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by J2201987

That is IF these projects were to be done on time and within budget, otherwise that $370 million will be eaten up quickly.

The $370M would basically cover 5% overages, which seem pretty typical rates. But even if not the Feds, State, MARTA, Beltline, or other sources usually contribute more than half the funding their is plenty of funding. So there should be plenty of funding.

Its amazing how far your transportation dollar goes if you don't spend them on highways / cars.

[MattCW]

Originally Posted by ChefRamsey

Southern Baptist Christianity is not real Christianity. It's a political and racial institution. "Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell" WHAT? Not believing in climate change?

As a Southern Baptist, I can't let this go. Please quit stereotyping us! I agree with the theory of evolution and know enough science to know that the human-caused climate change is a pile of manure. So please don't lump is all into the anti-science crowd.

Anyways, North Fulton probably won't support any transit expansions. They don't want African-Americans coming into their communities re MARTA and other projects. We would rather spend millions in gas, stress, tears and sweat of Atlanta commutes. Smh

I think North Fulton is long-since ready for rail expansion up their way. GA-400 is just too congested now.