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Old 12-13-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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I do not believe the mosque was denied due to a zoning issue. I believe if they had been a Christian church, they would have been accepted with open arms. If zoning isn't a problem and no-one else would be harmed by the mosque being there, they have every right to be there. They should be made to feel welcomed in the community and casting them out does the exact opposite.

 
Old 12-13-2014, 03:32 PM
 
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I do not believe the mosque was denied due to a zoning issue. I believe if they had been a Christian church, they would have been accepted with open arms. If zoning isn't a problem and no-one else would be harmed by the mosque being there, they have every right to be there. They should be made to feel welcomed in the community and casting them out does the exact opposite.
This is what can happen when "local control" is allowed.
 
Old 12-13-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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I do not believe the mosque was denied due to a zoning issue. I believe if they had been a Christian church, they would have been accepted with open arms. If zoning isn't a problem and no-one else would be harmed by the mosque being there, they have every right to be there. They should be made to feel welcomed in the community and casting them out does the exact opposite.
A Buddhist temple, a Jewish synagogue, a Hindu house of worship might all have been approved (once the city council understood what these things were).

The Muslims have a serious public relations problem when on the one hand they call themselves the Religion of Peace and indeed there are millions of peaceful hard working Muslim citizens, and on the other hand there are these firebrand fundamentalists in Muslim-majority countries getting on TV and calling for violent jihad, elimination of other religions, death to America, yada yada, and inspiring young idiots to go blow up civilians in public places.

It's not so hard to understand the hostility against Muslims in the U.S., especially after 9/11. What they need to do is march in the streets against violence, disavow the horrible teachings of these Salafi, Wahabbi, and Shi'ite extremists, and join the churches and synagogues as allies against violence and ignorance. Maybe some of them do this, but it needs to be doubly visible and in-your-face. Americans are still angry.
 
Old 12-13-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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This is what can happen when "local control" is allowed.

Interesting...I will have to look up this 'local control.' I didn't know such a thing existed.
 
Old 12-13-2014, 11:08 PM
 
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A Buddhist temple, a Jewish synagogue, a Hindu house of worship might all have been approved (once the city council understood what these things were).

The Muslims have a serious public relations problem when on the one hand they call themselves the Religion of Peace and indeed there are millions of peaceful hard working Muslim citizens, and on the other hand there are these firebrand fundamentalists in Muslim-majority countries getting on TV and calling for violent jihad, elimination of other religions, death to America, yada yada, and inspiring young idiots to go blow up civilians in public places.

It's not so hard to understand the hostility against Muslims in the U.S., especially after 9/11. What they need to do is march in the streets against violence, disavow the horrible teachings of these Salafi, Wahabbi, and Shi'ite extremists, and join the churches and synagogues as allies against violence and ignorance. Maybe some of them do this, but it needs to be doubly visible and in-your-face. Americans are still angry.

Okay this will be a short response because the other one I wrote was deleted accidentally. Firstly, the media does a good job of talking about the 'Middle East' and pairing the words terrorism/terrorists with the region. Whenever the Middle East gets air time, it is always something negative. It is part of the brainwashing. It is how the enemy is vilified so the people can support war.

You know, let's not talk about that for a second. I'm pretty sure when most people watch the news they feel stressed. I tend to feel on edge and just negative. If you were to travel to another country and watch their news, it would be like a breath of fresh air. Our news is far too negative and concentrates too much on street crime and war.


Anyway back to the subject. Yes, I remember a lot of things that happened after 9/11. Some were called terrorists if seen wearing a head garment (hijab for example), if they were dressed in a certain way. Some were beaten up on the streets (Muslims/people assumed to be Muslims). To respond to the last comment, if you were to see certain countries in the Middle East, you wouldn't think it was reality because of how the media portrays the region as war torn and poor. They focus on Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iraq and make just a few countries represent the entire region. Furthermore, many of the countries don't want the U.S. to be their enemy. We used to buy so much of their oil and how can one forget that the U.S. offers them protection from their enemies.

Americans are still angry but the U.S. has certain ideals and theoretically people have the freedom to worship (and not to). This acceptance, this openness is what separates the U.S. from other countries where other religions are banned or extremely monitored/controlled.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 12:39 AM
 
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A Buddhist temple, a Jewish synagogue, a Hindu house of worship might all have been approved (once the city council understood what these things were).

The Muslims have a serious public relations problem when on the one hand they call themselves the Religion of Peace and indeed there are millions of peaceful hard working Muslim citizens, and on the other hand there are these firebrand fundamentalists in Muslim-majority countries getting on TV and calling for violent jihad, elimination of other religions, death to America, yada yada, and inspiring young idiots to go blow up civilians in public places.

It's not so hard to understand the hostility against Muslims in the U.S., especially after 9/11. What they need to do is march in the streets against violence, disavow the horrible teachings of these Salafi, Wahabbi, and Shi'ite extremists, and join the churches and synagogues as allies against violence and ignorance. Maybe some of them do this, but it needs to be doubly visible and in-your-face. Americans are still angry.
Dude, don't open a can of worms with this kind of loose talk. Ever compared civilian death tolls of 9/11 vs. the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
 
Old 12-14-2014, 06:27 AM
 
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Dude, don't open a can of worms with this kind of loose talk. Ever compared civilian death tolls of 9/11 vs. the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
But the point is precisely that: the terrorists kill civilians. That's their game plan--to terrorize.

Most of the casualties in Iraq since 2002 have been terrorist bombings of markets, police training offices, Shiite pilgrimages, mosques, schools, buses, etc. Most of the deaths in Syria are civilians caught in a scorched earth approach by both sides, over 200,000 so far.

The U.S. military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have largely killed militants, with relatively few civilian casualties. This cautious approach cost us probably thousands of troops lives. We could have leveled every town harboring militants, destroying their hiding places and food supplies and basically wiped them out, but then we would have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and rendered the place almost uninhabitable.

So don't lecture us about high civilian death rates. That's on the terrorists. Who are Muslims.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 08:35 AM
 
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Have those of you claiming Islam is "inferior/backwards" forgotten about all the people killed in the name of Christianity?
 
Old 12-14-2014, 08:38 AM
 
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Have those of you claiming Islam is "inferior/backwards" forgotten about all the people killed in the name of Christianity?
No one's claiming anything. We're just reporting true facts here.

People like you are living in the past, or seem to have forgotten that Christianity has pretty much gotten away from the convert-or-be-killed approach.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 08:45 AM
 
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The U.S. military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have largely killed militants, with relatively few civilian casualties.
America has murdered many thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is a reason they don't report the numbers.


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