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Old 12-14-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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No one's claiming anything. We're just reporting true facts here.

People like you are living in the past, or seem to have forgotten that Christianity has pretty much gotten away from the convert-or-be-killed approach.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 New International Version (NIV)

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

 
Old 12-14-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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Deuteronomy 13:6-10 New International Version (NIV)

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
It may be in there but you can't take every single thing literally. Few people consider that relevant these days.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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But the point is precisely that: the terrorists kill civilians. That's their game plan--to terrorize.

Most of the casualties in Iraq since 2002 have been terrorist bombings of markets, police training offices, Shiite pilgrimages, mosques, schools, buses, etc. Most of the deaths in Syria are civilians caught in a scorched earth approach by both sides, over 200,000 so far.

The U.S. military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have largely killed militants, with relatively few civilian casualties. This cautious approach cost us probably thousands of troops lives. We could have leveled every town harboring militants, destroying their hiding places and food supplies and basically wiped them out, but then we would have killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and rendered the place almost uninhabitable.

So don't lecture us about high civilian death rates. That's on the terrorists. Who are Muslims.
You probably got all those lies from Fox News. Let's discuss some facts:

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It is well-established that over 100,000 Iraqi civilians died as a direct result of the war. These are not just terrorists we are talking about. They were mothers, children, teachers, caretakers, friends, and other family. They were as human as you and I are.

More than 2,400 dead as Obama’s drone campaign marks five years | The Bureau of Investigative Journalism Drone strikes have killed more than 2,000 people. The trick that Bush and Obama use to legally justify civilian casualties is to deem them "enemy combatants" post-mortem. Again, innocent civilians are being severely injured or killed because of drone strikes.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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It may be in there but you can't take every single thing literally. Few people consider that relevant these days.
Is the bible not the word of God?
 
Old 12-14-2014, 03:16 PM
 
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America has murdered many thousands of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is a reason they don't report the numbers.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

Because the terrorists attack from locations filled with civilians on purpose to get the US to retaliate so they can claim that exact thing.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 06:02 PM
 
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Because the terrorists attack from locations filled with civilians on purpose to get the US to retaliate so they can claim that exact thing.
That's right. I'm pretty sure "Joey" is posting from Pakistan.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Atlanta (O4W)
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Is the bible not the word of God?
From your mouth <keyboard> to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's ears.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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It may be in there but you can't take every single thing literally. Few people consider that relevant these days.
Which is the exact same situation with Islam. The Bible has just as much barbaric stuff in it as the Koran. Taking either literally is a recipe for bad things in the 21st century. Most Muslims, certainly the ones in this country do not take the barbaric stuff in the Koran as literally applicable to life today, as do most Christians with the Bible. There are also examples of Christians committing murders or terrorist acts because they felt they were compelled by God to do so.
 
Old 12-14-2014, 11:22 PM
 
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So I have a Bachelors in International Affairs with a concentration in Middle Eastern politics from a fairly prestigious liberal arts school in VA so I feel like I speak somewhat knowledgeably when I firmly believe that Islam is incompatible with Western Style Democracies/Republics. Islam is more than a religion, it is also a political and social system which is meant to pervade every day life. Of course there are different sects of Islam with adherents that range in wide spectrum of fervor- However, Islam in the fundamental and literal sense is incompatible with out political system (why, yes I have read the Quran.)

While I do not think Muslims and terrorism/extremism are mutually exclusive, I do pay attn to the disturbing Islamifaction of Europe, where gangs of Wahabbists roam London and bully and impose Sharia law on English citizens by bullying unmarried women for going out in public without husbands etc. While this isn't a problem here, if it can happen in England, eventually it can happen here.

Like a previous poster- I, too find it ironic that liberals are so hell bent on espousing religious tolerance when it comes to Islam- an ideological and religious system that is in direct conflict with their very ideology. I also find it ironic and disturbing that adherents to radical Islam are so eager to hide behind the Western laws they hate that protect their backwards ideology at the same time.

Case in point, we need to be more vigilant to make sure new Muslim immigrants from the Middle East assimilate and adopt our culture rather than eventually trying to shove their culture down our throats.

As this relates to the Kennesaw Mosque situation, I think the city council should have the self determination to act as it likes when it comes to approving or denying the construction of the Mosque. Kennessaw holds no intrinsic value to these people outside of cheap land, so they can take their fight somewhere else.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Irvine, California
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It's a pretty dangerous precedent to set to say that any government is allowed to stop people from building a place of worship. Now that it's been done, not just in Georgia but also in Tennessee, there's nothing to stop some atheist from getting in there and saying we can't build churches or synagogues anymore.
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