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Old 12-21-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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The original idea of the BeltLine was to be a transportation corridor, if you read Ryan Gravel's thesis.
Yeah... Until someone with a brain injected the slice of reality that a transportation corridor that doesn't connect to anyplace people want to go is pointless. A transit loop 3-4 miles around the urban core... What a great idea.

 
Old 12-21-2014, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Yeah... Until someone with a brain injected the slice of reality that a transportation corridor that doesn't connect to anyplace people want to go is pointless. A transit loop 3-4 miles around the urban core... What a great idea.
How interesting that over a billion $$$ of development (and counting) and thousands of new residential units have clustered along it. And it's not slowing down.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Yeah... Until someone with a brain injected the slice of reality that a transportation corridor that doesn't connect to anyplace people want to go is pointless. A transit loop 3-4 miles around the urban core... What a great idea.
Anyplace people want to go? Virginia-highland, piedmont hospital, glenwood park, O4W, piedmont park, ansley park, bobby jones golf course, west midtown, etc. But of course no one wants to visit those depressed areas.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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@ 5:13 did you mean to say, "An expressway loop 3-4 miles around the urban core... What a great idea." instead?
Done that. Tried that plenty of times in various cities.
So your point against trying it w/ a different mode of transport is...?
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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How interesting that over a billion $$$ of development (and counting) and thousands of new residential units have clustered along it. And it's not slowing down.
They are clustered on a desired location on the east side of town with parks. They developed because of a park trail and a great location... NOT because of the vision of a transit line which doesn't connect to downtown or midtown possibly happening in 20 years.

The belt line as an urban park ring is great. The beltline as originally proposed as a circular light rail route is stupid (and has since been adjusted because smart people realized this original plan was stupid).

This isn't brain surgery ladies.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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@ 5:13 did you mean to say, "An expressway loop 3-4 miles around the urban core... What a great idea." instead?
Done that. Tried that plenty of times in various cities.
So your point against trying it w/ a different mode of transport is...?
That building a route away from where most people want to go is not smart.

Again... Not a difficult concept. At least with a car you can plot your own course. A transit line doesn't give this flexibility so he placement of it HAS to get people where they need to go, not 3-4 miles around where they need to go.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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That building a route away from where most people want to go is not smart.

Again... Not a difficult concept. At least with a car you can plot your own course. A transit line doesn't give this flexibility so he placement of it HAS to get people where they need to go, not 3-4 miles around where they need to go.
Its connecting the areas 3-4 miles outside of the core with rail based transit and the existing transit system. The crosstown lines are meant to connect the loop with the business areas in the core.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:47 PM
 
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Its connecting the areas 3-4 miles outside of the core with rail based transit and the existing transit system. The crosstown lines are meant to connect the loop with the business areas in the core.
Are you dense?

Were these cross town lines part of the original plan?

hint: the answer is no.

These lines were added and the circular transit route de emphasized because it makes little sense. Cmon son.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Are you dense?

Were these cross town lines part of the original plan?

hint: the answer is no.

These lines were added and the circular transit route de emphasized because it makes little sense. Cmon son.
No they were not, but the planned evolved.
 
Old 12-21-2014, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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Mr. Corndog may have a point here. What's the service pattern for a loop with crosstown lines? Do you run two lines around the loop, then have each of the crosstown lines run a portion of the loop? With the loop, two crosstown lines operating Lindbergh-Lindbergh one via Atlantic Station and one via Georgia Tech, all on 10 minute headways, the one-way combined route headways would be 3.33 minutes. With Lindbergh as a stub-ended terminal, is that even sustainable on its own? What happens when we want to add more lines? I'm afraid the beltline won't be able to sustain enough one-seat service (the crosstown lines) to be worthwhile without running ridiculous headways like every 20 minutes.
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