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Old 02-05-2015, 06:12 PM
 
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If this was being built downtown or on the Beltline, people would be doing backflips and touting the brilliant urban design.
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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If this was being built downtown or on the Beltline, people would be doing backflips and touting the brilliant urban design.
Yes, because those areas have neighborhood connectivity and smaller blocks than this super block, isolated project.
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:29 PM
 
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Another super block project that is trying to transform a suburban area into a semiurban. If you look at the beat urban areas, they have small, walkable blocks. This project will not connect to any of the road network other than Hammond and perimeter center Pkwy. This will cause bottlenecks. If there was a thru street to Peachtree Dunwoody road, it could help. All these mixed use projects are all the same. They are an insular neighborhood that does not connect to the surrounding neighborhood. BA is a good example of connecting to the surrounding neighborhood.
I don't know that I totally agree. That area is pretty dense with Offices and Retail. Is it walkable? I guess it depends on where you are walking to or from. With sidewalk upgrades, it should be able to Manage the residential portion. It would be quite a convenient hub, I must say. That is one of the few places in All of Atlanta, you truly could get everything within walking distance. Maybe have to drive a mile or so to the grocery, but restaurants, shopping, work, and MARTA? not so bad.
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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I don't know that I totally agree. That area is pretty dense with Offices and Retail. Is it walkable? I guess it depends on where you are walking to or from. With sidewalk upgrades, it should be able to Manage the residential portion. It would be quite a convenient hub, I must say. That is one of the few places in All of Atlanta, you truly could get everything within walking distance. Maybe have to drive a mile or so to the grocery, but restaurants, shopping, work, and MARTA? not so bad.
It appears walkable, but pedestrians must cross massive, unsafe parking lots to reach the store fronts. Cars travel at too high of speeds in the area. Also, the super block developments in the area further reduce the walkability because PEDs cannot safely cut across the massive parking lots if its quicker than walking the winding streets.
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:34 PM
 
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Yes, because those areas have neighborhood connectivity and smaller blocks than this super block, isolated project.
Until very recently a lot of the Beltline was pretty isolated with limited connectivity. A good bit of it still is.
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Old 02-05-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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It appears walkable, but pedestrians must cross massive, unsafe parking lots to reach the store fronts. Cars travel at too high of speeds in the area. Also, the super block developments in the area further reduce the walkability because PEDs cannot safely cut across the massive parking lots if its quicker than walking the winding streets.
Yeah - the massive parking lots and 4 lanes of traffic are definitely a problem. But with dedicated pedestrian/bike paths, it might be easier. The Mall Format is more of an obstacle than anything though.
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Old 02-05-2015, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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If this was being built downtown or on the Beltline, people would be doing backflips and touting the brilliant urban design.
I agree.

It also seems like the development is making cross streets, so I don't understand the complaints about this project.

The 71 proposed residential units/acre on top of retail and direct transit access on a walkable street within direct reach of millions of square feet of offices/jobs are pretty intimidating to be considered urban. I'm gonna get a house on a 1/4 acre plot in the city.
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Old 02-05-2015, 07:10 PM
 
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I agree.

It also seems like the development is making cross streets, so I don't understand the complaints about this project.

The 71 proposed residential units/acre on top of retail and direct transit access on a walkable street within direct reach of millions of square feet of offices/jobs are pretty intimidating to be considered urban. I'm gonna get a house on a 1/4 acre plot in the city.
I asked earlier of the cross streets will connect to Peachtree Dunwoody, if they only connect to Hammond or perimeter center Pkwy, then it warrants criticism.
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Old 02-05-2015, 07:11 PM
 
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Until very recently a lot of the Beltline was pretty isolated with limited connectivity. A good bit of it still is.
The BeltLine is an old railroad corridor, of course it was isolated. It was the back door and loading docks of buildings, but that has changed, see the murder Kroger connection.
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Old 02-05-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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Wow, I think you're right. I mean, NYC is gridlocked even with their awesome transit, but at least people have the OPTION to not drive. We too, need this option, and I don't mean in the current limit areas that MARTA goes. We need transit from the airport to Mall of Georgia, and all points east and west!!
Driving or not driving it's still a mess especially on the weekend here in NYC it's always something with the trains there still repairing them from Sandy.

I mean I work near Rockefeller and I'm on J train at hewes St in Williamsburg and it still takes me a hour to get to work
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