I-285 @ GA400 Interchange Renderings from the GDOT (Atlanta, Marietta: to buy, costs)

[jsvh]

But this still won't solve anything. You will have a longer commute 10 years from now.

This project is not raising some magic wall. You will just have more of a different set of cars to contend with.

[JoeP]

You still don't get it.

You simply don't grasp the existing roads, traffic patterns and how that will change.

[JoeP]

Also I don't know what "magic wall' you imagine. I'm talking about what exists and how that will actually changed based on the changes.

[jsvh]

You realize this is not the first attempt to do a project like this, right? Guess what, traffic still continues to get worse. This project will solve nothing.

Do you seriously think your commute will be faster 10 years from now?

[JoeP]

You realize this is not the first attempt to do a project like this, right? Guess what, traffic still continues to get worse. This project will solve nothing.

Do you seriously think your commute will be faster 10 years from now?

Just admit that you can't grasp the simple concept that I'm referring to.

You don't get that it's correcting an error. This error creates unnecessary back ups.
You don't understand that even when 285 is moving, Ashford Dunwoody can still be be gridlocked because if 400 is bad (and it almost always is) then we are blocked in.

This blockage can mean a very long wait, just to get on 285 and get out of the right lane

This removes that blockage.

Now, by all means repeat what you said before like you didn't any factual information that would actually make you think about your words...

[cwkimbro]

oh geez...

The same study that shows an average 8 hours of savings/commuter is based on an average 63,000 hours annual delay in the interchange declining to 43,000 hours delay in 2019.

Of course we all know the region is going to grow to about 8 million by 2040, so they can analyze growth patterns from the ARC and anticipated growth in the area.

They run the same models based on the growth. By 2039 they anticipate 87,000 hours of delay, but it would be 122,000 hours delay not building the improvement.

That is 137 million hours saved over a 20 year life and none of that dives into the capacity improvements at helping people get in and out of a growing business district.

Spin this whatever way you like, but many of the prior arguments seem to be very short-sighted like in 20 years this wouldn't have been an improvement at all. That seems to be far from the case.

This might also be hard for many to understand. Highway and road improvements are also not soley based on decreasing commute times. Much of it is simply about handling the capacity of a growing business district and preventing accidents so flow is not obstructed as frequently.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Just admit that you can't grasp the simple concept that I'm referring to.

Yep. You got me. I can't grasp the simple concept of C-D lanes.

Now, can will you admit or deny that your commute will be no better in 10 years?

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by jsvh

But this still won't solve anything. You will have a longer commute 10 years from now.

This project is not raising some magic wall. You will just have more of a different set of cars to contend with.

Soooo we're just gonna ignore Atlanta growing or what.

Originally Posted by JoeP

Just admit that you can't grasp the simple concept that I'm referring to.

You don't get that it's correcting an error. This error creates unnecessary back ups.
You don't understand that even when 285 is moving, Ashford Dunwoody can still be be gridlocked because if 400 is bad (and it almost always is) then we are blocked in.

This blockage can mean a very long wait, just to get on 285 and get out of the right lane

This removes that blockage.

Now, by all means repeat what you said before like you didn't any factual information that would actually make you think about your words...

I know exactly what you mean and it's why I'm glad I don't work in PC or Buckhead where it can take so long just to get to the freeway. Right now it's 10 minutes (according to Google) to go one mile on Ptree Dunwoody from Hammond to Abernathy. I know, it's not the same example where the traffic on 285 causes the ramp to back up but it still shows just getting to the freeway can be terrible.

[jsvh]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

Soooo we're just gonna ignore Atlanta growing or what.

Nope. Cities grow just fine without billion dollar overhauls of of interchanges. Or Atlanta's ridiculous overbuilding of highways.

[cwkimbro]

Originally Posted by jsvh

Nope. Cities grow just fine without billion dollar overhauls of of interchanges. Or Atlanta's ridiculous overbuilding of highways.

Actually given our population we built less than most.

But no... overall you're wrong. They don't just grow fine without changes. We have massively under-invested in the past 25 years and we have gotten a great deal of criticism, including from those that decided to locate to other cities.