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Old 02-10-2015, 04:26 PM
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I think the citizens of Atlanta react that way due to the fact that Charlotte sometimes has an "in-your-face" attitude at times. Most Atlantans are aware that the cities are economic competitors in terms of attracting business and investment. But competitors in terms of economic size? Certainly not. Charlotte is doing well, and it is likely to keep growing, but it also has to compete with Raleigh now too. Raleigh-Durham is growing faster and is likely to overtake Charlotte one day soon. Wake county is about to overtake Mecklenburg as the largest county in the state. Raleigh's metro area is growing faster too. Raleigh-Durham CSA is only slightly smaller and is adding more people than Charlotte's CSA. Charlotte's attempts at arrogance are a little misplaced and feeble given that it won't likely remain the dominant region in the Carolina's for much longer.

Charlotte has 2.3 million in the metro. Raleigh is only 1.2 million. Raleigh isn't going to overtake Charlotte anytime soon in population just as Charlotte isn't going to overtake Atlanta's 5.5 million anytime soon.
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Old 02-10-2015, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Charlotte has 2.3 million in the metro. Raleigh is only 1.2 million. Raleigh isn't going to overtake Charlotte anytime soon in population just as Charlotte isn't going to overtake Atlanta's 5.5 million anytime soon.
You really do seem to be in over your head in this thread.

Try 2,037,430 for the Raleigh-Durham CSA as of 2013.
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Old 02-10-2015, 04:52 PM
 
Location: 98004 / 30327
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You really do seem to be in over your head in this thread.

Try 2,037,430 for the Raleigh-Durham CSA as of 2013.
Yes, but they did say metro. And the Raleigh metro is 1.2 million.

Raleigh, North Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were comparing Charlotte's MSA to Atlanta's MSA to Raleigh's MSA. Even if they were trying to skirt the fact that the CSA is 2 million.
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Old 02-10-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Yes, but they did say metro. And the Raleigh metro is 1.2 million.

Raleigh, North Carolina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were comparing Charlotte's MSA to Atlanta's MSA to Raleigh's MSA. Even if they were trying to skirt the fact that the CSA is 2 million.
I stand corrected, PoP!
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Old 02-10-2015, 05:24 PM
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You really do seem to be in over your head in this thread.

Try 2,037,430 for the Raleigh-Durham CSA as of 2013.
You really make yourself look bad with comments like that. And totally prove my point about hypersensitivity with your attacks.

Raleigh MSA is 1,214,527 as of that date and ranked #47. Charlotte-Gastonia MSA is 2,335,358 and #23.

Durham-Chapel Hill is considered a separate MSA and has 534k

No clue what else is included to get to your 2,037,430.
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Old 02-10-2015, 05:25 PM
 
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Read this article earlier today. Very sobering for not just Atlanta but Georgia as a whole. We must do something about improving our transportation infrastructure or we will fall behind
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Old 02-10-2015, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You really make yourself look bad with comments like that. And totally prove my point about hypersensitivity with your attacks.

Raleigh MSA is 1,214,527 as of that date and ranked #47. Charlotte-Gastonia MSA is 2,335,358 and #23.

Durham-Chapel Hill is considered a separate MSA and has 534k

No clue what else is included to get to your 2,037,430.
You have been dismissive and opinionated throughout this thread, and seem to have an agenda. The only hypersensitivity around here is you throwing out the accusation of 'attacks.'

The figure I gave was for the CSA, forgive me. Look it up if you question it.
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Old 02-10-2015, 06:01 PM
 
Location: N.C. for now... Atlanta future
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You really make yourself look bad with comments like that. And totally prove my point about hypersensitivity with your attacks.

Raleigh MSA is 1,214,527 as of that date and ranked #47. Charlotte-Gastonia MSA is 2,335,358 and #23.

Durham-Chapel Hill is considered a separate MSA and has 534k

No clue what else is included to get to your 2,037,430.
MSA's are not the end of the story... CSA's are the greatest extent of a city's "reach." Raleigh and Durham interact with each other. They are quickly becoming NC's Dallas-Fort Worth. Some might not like it that Gainesville is getting pulled into Atlanta's orbit, but it is doing just that.

The Charlotte CSA is about 2.5 million. Raleigh-Durham CSA is 2,037,000. Raleigh-Durham is growing faster. All statements I made are factual based on currently available data. Raleigh-Durham has routinely outstripped Charlotte for a couple decades now. Between 1990-2000 they grew almost 40% while Charlotte grew 30%. Raleigh-Durham grew 6.5% since 2010 while Charlotte grew 5%. I'm not attacking Charlotte, I'm simply stating observable trends. I examined the data thoroughly before I posted, and I don't knowingly tell falsehoods... You are splitting hairs.

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Old 02-10-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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MSA's are not the end of the story... CSA's are the greatest extent of a city's "reach." Raleigh and Durham interact with each other. They are quickly becoming NC's Dallas-Fort Worth. You can pretend Gainesville isn't getting pulled into Atlanta's orbit if you want, but it is doing just that.

The Charlotte CSA is about 2.5 million. Raleigh-Durham CSA is 2,037,000. Raleigh-Durham is growing faster. All statements I made are factual based on currently available data. Raleigh-Durham has routinely outstripped Charlotte for a couple decades now. Between 1990-2000 they grew almost 40% while Charlotte grew 30%. Raleigh-Durham grew 6.5% since 2010 while Charlotte grew 5%. I'm not attacking Charlotte, I'm simply stating observable trends. I examined the data thoroughly before I posted, and I don't knowingly tell falsehoods...
Well as a rule, it's easier to post higher growth rates when you're a smaller metro to begin with, but the larger you get, the less likely you are to maintain that same growth rate. In terms of raw numbers, Charlotte still has a slight edge over the Triangle but I see both metros remaining on par with each other more or less for the forseeable future.
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Old 02-10-2015, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Read this article earlier today. Very sobering for not just Atlanta but Georgia as a whole. We must do something about improving our transportation infrastructure or we will fall behind
I just wanted to add this to the discussion.

This is from the current Statewide Strategic Transportation plan from the GDOT.




Notice how the state/local spending line hits all time lows in the mid '90s and never recovers too much. That is also pre-recession data before the GDP took a temporary dip for 6-7 years.
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