Atlanta named best city for new college grads (Sandy Springs, Marietta: 2015, find a job)

[Caleb Longstreet]

Originally Posted by jpk1292000

Cue the haters!

Top 10 U.S. cities for new grads - MarketWatch

I would sure love to hear the college grads point of view as everytime I meet one at McDonalds or Starbucks, they don't seem to evoke that same feeling.....

[Tarzanman]

Originally Posted by chuckshere

The title of the article is ATLANTA is the best city for new grads, not the state as a whole. The unemployment in Georgia varies a lot from one county to another. A lot of the towns around metro Atlanta have unemployment rates around 2 to 3 percent. For example, the unemployment rate for Suwanee is 1.68%.

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No one wants to buy your snake oil.

As of this post, the unemployment rate for the entire metro area is at 6.4% (Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas)
The rate for the entire USA is 5.7% (http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...ly-update.aspx)

Suwanee does have an unemployment rate below 2% but it also has a median household income of $85,000 and a population of just 17,700 people.

Gwinnett county (which is where Suwanee is located) as a whole has an unemployment rate of 5.7% (same as the national average), a median household income of $62,000, and a population of 859,000 people.

So, cherry picking statistics for 2% of the people in Gwinnett county (or 0.03% of the entire Atlanta metro area), does not a 'best city' make.

[chuckshere]

Originally Posted by Tarzanman

No one wants to buy your snake oil.

As of this post, the unemployment rate for the entire metro area is at 6.4% (Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas)
The rate for the entire USA is 5.7% (http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...ly-update.aspx)

Suwanee does have an unemployment rate below 2% but it also has a median household income of $85,000 and a population of just 17,700 people.

Gwinnett county (which is where Suwanee is located) as a whole has an unemployment rate of 5.7% (same as the national average), a median household income of $62,000, and a population of 859,000 people.

So, cherry picking statistics for 2% of the people in Gwinnett county (or 0.03% of the entire Atlanta metro area), does not a 'best city' make.

According to the link I cited, the Suwanee population is 35, 241 and it's this population number that has an unemployment rate of 1.68%. So, right there, that's double the number of people you're saying the statistic represented.

There are 42,019 people in Snellville, and it has an unemployment rate of 3.03%. Cumming has a population of 75,140 and the unemployment rate is 1.94%. Dallas, GA has a population of 45,531 and has an unemployment rate of 2.60%.

So, the message for the college grads would be that there are opportunities in GA, but avoid towns like Statesboro, Fort Valley and Albany. That's why the article said ATLANTA. And, in fact, those numbers vary a lot by zip code.

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The unemployment rate in 30313 is over 76% (population of 11,035). This is an area around the Georgia Dome. But, if you look at the page I cited, half of the zip codes in Atlanta have unemployment rates under the national average. And a third of the zip codes in Atlanta have unemployment rates under 4%.

My point wasn't to cherry pick statistics, but Atlanta, like most cities, has a wide range of unemployment statistics and there must be something right here for the article to put Atlanta on the list of good picks for college grads and, beyond that, indicate that Atlanta is #1 on the list.

[AtlantaIsHot]

Originally Posted by Tarzanman

No one wants to buy your snake oil.

As of this post, the unemployment rate for the entire metro area is at 6.4% (Unemployment Rates for Metropolitan Areas)
The rate for the entire USA is 5.7% (http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-a...ly-update.aspx)

Suwanee does have an unemployment rate below 2% but it also has a median household income of $85,000 and a population of just 17,700 people.

Gwinnett county (which is where Suwanee is located) as a whole has an unemployment rate of 5.7% (same as the national average), a median household income of $62,000, and a population of 859,000 people.

So, cherry picking statistics for 2% of the people in Gwinnett county (or 0.03% of the entire Atlanta metro area), does not a 'best city' make.

Snake oil?

Wow, you are incredibly disrespectful and rude. There was no need for name-calling. It's clear you are just wanting to be "right" at all costs, and "right" to you is the worst possible scenario at all times. Your hatefulness precludes your recognition that 6.4% isn't significantly much worse than 5.7%. Not to mention jobs are being created and it is FALLING.

Your complete disregard of my apologetic post shows the true character. It isn't worth it to continue an argument with that, and I urge chuckshere to do the same.

[chuckshere]

Originally Posted by AtlantaIsHot

Snake oil?

Wow, you are incredibly disrespectful and rude. There was no need for name-calling. It's clear you are just wanting to be "right" at all costs, and "right" to you is the worst possible scenario at all times. Your hatefulness precludes your recognition that 6.4% isn't significantly much worse than 5.7%. Not to mention jobs are being created and it is FALLING.

Your complete disregard of my apologetic post shows the true character. It isn't worth it to continue an argument with that, and I urge chuckshere to do the same.

Most of the time, ad hominem is an admission of a weak argument and/or poor debating skills. I try to avoid that and stick to logical, factual arguments. That's why I used the links to analysis of the unemployment data for both Georgia and Atlanta in my reply.

[Tryska]

While everybody is off fighting this "unemployment rate" straw man let's review the methodology for this list:

The best cities to live, work and play were all chosen based on mean entry-level income, average price of a one-bedroom apartment, proximity to postgraduate institutions, and social opportunities. The list also analyzes unemployment rates and the percentage of the population identified as millennials (ages 25 to 34).

[chuckshere]

Originally Posted by Tryska

While everybody is off fighting this "unemployment rate" straw man let's review the methodology for this list:

The quote you cited said that unemployment rate was considered in the making of the list. Please explain how a discussion of that fits the definition of strawman argument.

If there was a strawman, it was the use of the GA numbers instead of Atlanta. And that was the point I challenged.

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by chuckshere

The quote you cited said that unemployment rate was considered in the making of the list. Please explain how a discussion of that fits the definition of strawman argument.

Well....unemployment rate, per the quote, was kind of the least important factor that went into their listings.

To have the argument that I just saw, like it was the ONLY factor, means a lot of people didn't actually click the link and read it, they just went straight into hater-mode. And those on the opposing side fell for it, and started attacking said strawman.

[chuckshere]

Originally Posted by Tryska

Well....unemployment rate, per the quote, was kind of the least important factor that went into their listings.

To have the argument that I just saw, like it was the ONLY factor, means a lot of people didn't actually click the link and read it, they just went straight into hater-mode. And those on the opposing side fell for it, and started attacking said strawman.

I challenged someone who used GA numbers to challenge an ATLANTA list. I did so with statistics. What does it mean to go into "hater-mode"? I repeat that arguing one of the factors in the study isn't a strawman argument. And presenting a factual argument isn't "falling for" anything.

[Tryska]

Originally Posted by chuckshere

I challenged someone who used GA numbers to challenge an ATLANTA list. I did so with statistics. What does it mean to go into "hater-mode"? I repeat that arguing one of the factors in the study isn't a strawman argument. And presenting a factual argument isn't "falling for" anything.

The person who used GA numbers to try to prove a point that the article was bunk....that was hater-mode. You didn't need to argue with him. Just understand they were looking for attention and a fight, and then clown them for it.


I hate that every single thread dissolves into this round and round ad nauseum and mostly off-topic fight about how Atlanta sucks or doesn't suck.


You need to do better, Atlanta Forum.