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Old 07-30-2015, 07:28 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming it's "fleecing" in Cobb (a county of 750,000) but it's all hunky-dory when the state dumps zillions into the city of Atlanta.
If you dropped this exact project two miles south and replace Tim Lee with Kasim Reed, it would still be fleecing.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of claiming it's "fleecing" in Cobb (a county of 750,000) but it's all hunky-dory when the state dumps zillions into the city of Atlanta.
My point is that Cobb County has the funds to build this bridge on their own without asking for a state handout. The SPLOST generates tens of millions each year, something Atlanta does not have. Lee knows it will cost more than $9M, so he is going to cap Cobb County's funds at that and ask the rest from the state or feds. Why doesn't Liberty Media help fund the bridge, since it will directly benefit them.
The state should dump money into Atlanta, it is the largest city, state capital, and economic engine of the state. Without Atlanta, there would be no Cobb County.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:39 AM
 
Location: NW Atlanta
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My point is that Cobb County has the funds to build this bridge on their own without asking for a state handout. The SPLOST generates tens of millions each year, something Atlanta does not have. Lee knows it will cost more than $9M, so he is going to cap Cobb County's funds at that and ask the rest from the state or feds. Why doesn't Liberty Media help fund the bridge, since it will directly benefit them.
The state should dump money into Atlanta, it is the largest city, state capital, and economic engine of the state. Without Atlanta, there would be no Cobb County.
It's not even an Atlanta argument. Why should the state hand out money because the local government was unable (or unwilling) to fund the full cost of a project after underestimating the cost? Even more so if it is primarily benefiting a billion-dollar private entity.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:41 AM
 
Location: City of Atlanta
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Yeah, there is no difference between this and the new ramps from 85 to 400, or the new 285 interchange. Except, you know, one benefits hundreds of thousands of residents and not a billion dollar corporate enterprise based in another state. And nobody was told said private corporation would be paying for those projects, only to seek public funds when they realized they forgot to include it in previous negotiations.

Has the galleria even agreed to let them use the parking decks? Last I heard they were pushing back on that.
I think you and arjay are completely missing the point that the bridge, aptly called the "Braves Bridge", serves only the interests of Liberty Media. It spans 285 to connect a parking lot to Suntrust Stadium. In no way does it benefit the citizens of Cobb County or the state of Georgia, who will be footing the bill. The only people this benefits are the owners of the Braves, as it provides them with a much needed parking lot (you know, since they stated that they chose the area due to better access to public transportation) for paying fans to get to the stadium. All of the other examples you and Arjay have mentioned serve thousands of taxpaying citizens of this state. Even cosmetic upgrades in COA paid for by the state are seen and used by thousands of citizens everyday on PUBLIC property. Whereas you might walk across the 14th street bridge to get to a number of destinations, the only reason you will use the Braves Bridge is to get to the stadium or their faux neighborhood (which they are directly profiting from), which directly benefits the Braves only. Not the public. Not the state. Not anybody except a private corporation. Do you see that difference?
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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I think you and arjay are completely missing the point that the bridge, aptly called the "Braves Bridge", serves only the interests of Liberty Media. It spans 285 to connect a parking lot to Suntrust Stadium. In no way does it benefit the citizens of Cobb County or the state of Georgia, who will be footing the bill. The only people this benefits are the owners of the Braves, as it provides them with a much needed parking lot (you know, since they stated that they chose the area due to better access to public transportation) for paying fans to get to the stadium. All of the other examples you and Arjay have mentioned serve thousands of taxpaying citizens of this state. Even cosmetic upgrades in COA paid for by the state are seen and used by thousands of citizens everyday on PUBLIC property. Whereas you might walk across the 14th street bridge to get to a number of destinations, the only reason you will use the Braves Bridge is to get to the stadium or their faux neighborhood (which they are directly profiting from), which directly benefits the Braves only. Not the public. Not the state. Not anybody except a private corporation. Do you see that difference?
Did you read my entire post, or is your sarcasm meter busted? I was pointing to the fact that the Braves Bridge is in no way, shape, or form comparable to some of the massive GDOT projects.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Home of the Braves
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SunTrust Park bridge design gets OK - Atlanta Business Chronicle
I cannot believe Tim Lee is looking for state and federal help. All the citizens of Georgia will be on the hook for Cobb County's poor decision. And Lee is living in a fantasy world if he thinks this bridge will only cost $9M.
Great news.
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Old 07-30-2015, 08:06 AM
 
Location: n/a
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More folks to the stadium and other venues, by using the proposed bridge = more tax revenue for the state for every extra ticket and item sold?
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Old 07-30-2015, 08:08 AM
 
Location: City of Atlanta
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Did you read my entire post, or is your sarcasm meter busted? I was pointing to the fact that the Braves Bridge is in no way, shape, or form comparable to some of the massive GDOT projects.
Sorry, my sarcasm meter must have been been smashed after reading Arjay's posts defending the Cobb Commissioners. Apologies to the misunderstanding, but my thoughts on the actual topic stand.

Edit: Ah yes, now that I've gone back and read more of the post and the context from which it was written, it is quite clear you were being sarcastic. I believe I was meaning to respond to evannole.
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Old 07-30-2015, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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More folks to the stadium and other venues, by using the proposed bridge = more tax revenue for the state for every extra ticket and item sold?
I doubt not having a multimillion dollar bridge would keep that many people away. Bubba has get to him some Braves Baseball.
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Old 07-30-2015, 11:23 AM
 
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More folks to the stadium and other venues, by using the proposed bridge = more tax revenue for the state for every extra ticket and item sold?
If the Braves want to pay for it with money from ticket sales then great, but taxpayers that will never go to a game there should not be paying for it.
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