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Old 08-10-2015, 04:01 PM
 
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The area certainly has a ways to go in terms of being pedestrian friendly, but to write it off entirely is simply foolish, and current plans will help the progress much more than they'll hinder it.
Totally agree, it is an incremental process.

I think the best place to start is to create a strong pedestrian friendly streetscape, and then bring in new zoning that reinforces that.

Obviously you can't tear down existing buildings but you can manage redevelopment opportunities. Most likely there will be a lot of that in the Cumberland area in the coming years.

After a while, a more balanced orientation will take hold.
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Old 08-10-2015, 04:15 PM
 
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The epidemic problem of speeding in Cobb County will kill all pedestrian activity in Cumberland. until the speed limit is reduced, enforcement is increased, and better urban design Cumberland will never become a walkable urban district. I blame the epidemic speeding on Cobb County's BOC. They limit the number of roads Cobb PD can do speed patrol on and restrict it to only at least 5 mph over the speed limit. At that point the cars are going 50 mph thru the heart of Cumberland and any peds hit will almost certainly die.

Please don't turn this into the 7,000th MARTA/Cobb/transit thread ... but part of the problem is many non-Cumberland residents, ie all commuters north and northwest of Smyrna/Galleria view 41 as just a 75 alternative when 75 backs up. Which is about every single day.

They're not coming to Cumberland as a destination, or even to walk it. They're just passing thru because they think 41 will get them to Marietta/Kennesaw/Acworth/Woodstock/Canton/Cartersville 4 minutes faster than 75.

Unfortunately, Cobb DOT estimates those commuters who just pass thru the 75/285/41/PowersFerry interchange everyday as somewhere between 350,000-500,000 ... PER afternoon 4-7 rush hour.

Have no idea if that number is accurate, but that's what Faye DiMassio said at a meeting I attended. And that's a staggering amount of cars to move through that corridor in 3 hrs. Inevidently, many are going to get on 41 and go as fast as they possibly can.
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Old 08-10-2015, 04:21 PM
 
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Sure, Cumberland had potential. Though that article's aspiration for Cumberland, Tyson Corner, is not all that walkable today. Tyson's is very similar to Perimeter area. They recently opened a new HRT transit line connecting them into the city too. So they are moving towards "walk-up" status.

Cumberland had a choice when this article was written. Go the Tyson's / Perimeter route and build a rail transit connection to the rest of the city which will help slowly develop the area as a walkable node. Or go more toward the Arlignton Tx route and build a stadium to attract more cars and parking lots.

They went with the latter. And the Perimeters and Tysons of the world are better off.
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Old 08-10-2015, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Downtown Marietta
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Evannole-

Sure, Cumberland had potential. Though that article's aspiration for Cumberland, Tyson Corner, is not all that walkable today. Tyson's is very similar to Perimeter area. They recently opened a new HRT transit line connecting them into the city too. So they are moving towards "walk-up" status.

Cumberland had a choice when this article was written. Go the Tyson's / Perimeter route and build a rail transit connection to the rest of the city which will help slowly develop the area as a walkable node. Or go more toward the Arlignton Tx route and build a stadium to attract more cars and parking lots.

They went with the latter. And the Perimeters and Tysons of the world are better off.
How did Cumberland itself have such a choice? If you're speaking of the 2012 T-SPLOST (for which I voted), that failed miserably across the entire region, as it was terribly ill-conceived. Cumberland certainly didn't doom that one by itself, nor could they have put it over the top, whether they wanted the connection or not.

Cumberland has a very high concentration of corporate money, but if you think they're going to self-fund a transit line into the city, even if they could afford it, well...
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Old 08-10-2015, 04:43 PM
 
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How did Cumberland itself have such a choice?
True. Cumberland is bound to Cobb County, so they do not really control their future. Maybe they could benefit from incorporation as Sandy Springs and other (now) cities have done to gain some autonomy from their counties.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:59 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Please don't turn this into the 7,000th MARTA/Cobb/transit thread ... but part of the problem is many non-Cumberland residents, ie all commuters north and northwest of Smyrna/Galleria view 41 as just a 75 alternative when 75 backs up. Which is about every single day.

They're not coming to Cumberland as a destination, or even to walk it. They're just passing thru because they think 41 will get them to Marietta/Kennesaw/Acworth/Woodstock/Canton/Cartersville 4 minutes faster than 75.
That's a problem just about anywhere around here where the total number of traffic lanes is more than two. Cobb Parkway, Peachtree Industrial after it ceases to be a freeway, etc. Frankly I think it goes back to the entitlement complex of a lot of drivers around here who feel that the Constitution allows them to drive as fast as they want.

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Unfortunately, Cobb DOT estimates those commuters who just pass thru the 75/285/41/PowersFerry interchange everyday as somewhere between 350,000-500,000 ... PER afternoon 4-7 rush hour.

Have no idea if that number is accurate, but that's what Faye DiMassio said at a meeting I attended. And that's a staggering amount of cars to move through that corridor in 3 hrs. Inevidently, many are going to get on 41 and go as fast as they possibly can.
Honestly, I think by the time all is said and done, that 75/285/41 interchange is gonna have to be overhauled. Even without future Braves traffic, rush hour traffic there sucks, hard. And the nearby Spring Road, which funnels a lot of the traffic, would make a DDI at 285/41 a lot harder to construct.
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Old 08-11-2015, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I'm honestly not sure which buildings you'd propose moving closer to Cobb Parkway in order to make it more friendly towards pedestrians. The Galleria office towers aren't going anywhere. Neither are the structures at Cumberland Mall or Akers Mill Square. As much as we might like it to be possible, it would cost an absurd amount of money to make this stretch of Cobb Parkway itself truly walkable by relocating buildings to be closer to the street. The pedestrian bridge helps do the next best thing: connecting an area that is already pretty walkable - the part of the Galleria away from Cobb Parkway - with a development that is clearly being planned as pretty pedestrian friendly - the Braves complex.
Replace the massive parking lots with residentila, mixed use development. Move parking into garages, behind the buildings. That is how you 'move' buildings closer to the street. Instead of building all those new apartment buildings on greenfields, use the existing parking lots and create a denser community, no one is going to walk from the apartments at Circle 75 and windy Ridge to Cobb Pkwy at Akers Mill.
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